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testorschoice
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As demonstrated by the IGN source, Gatsu's reasoning is based on faulty assumptions that were discounted back in August. It was not completely valid or certain. |
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Primus
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The rumor is one of the bloggers got their hands on the DVD that was played at one of the film expos and has slowly been leaking stuff. Oh yeah, FOX has attributed the delay to special effects work as noted by some rep. |
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Vortextk
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Honestly, when I watched speed racer on dvd I was like "I never REALLY watched the show, but it seems rather like what I do remember of the cartoon." But the DB trailer? I just don't see it. I don't think it'll necessarily suck as much as it could, I mean I really did enjoy Speed Racer, but I don't even know what is going on in the Db trailer at this point.
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GATSU
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testor:
Most studios generally release official set photos and interviews to create anticipation for a film, or at least the teaser/trailer for the film. It's a little something "marketing".
Even if that's the case[And IGN is the only site which you're citing for your argument, while the other entertainment sites said the Max Payne attachment was official.], the fact that they chose to change their minds at the last minute[I.E. a week before Max Payne, one of their few tent-poles this year.] clearly proves that they only changed the date because of the fan reaction, and not because they "always" intended to advertise DB at a later time.
You can show prototypes of products you'd like to sell, and ask people to invest in them, though.
There's rampant speculation on every fan site.
Again, IGN is one site out of a million, and even they said it was "expected" to be in front of Max Payne. Also, your premise was predicated on the argument that "nothing is guaranteed until the special effects and requisite approvals are in place." But that so-called 'show teaser' looks like they finished quite a lot of FX already. And it's funny that the studio reneged on "requisite approvals" only after that teaser got leaked on-line-again a week before Max Payne's release. Plus, without Harry Potter in the way this year, you'd think that FOX would be thrilled to get that kind of attention. Gage:
It can work, if you have the right FX people. [See the Matrix sequels, Fantastic Four 2, and Kung Fu Hustle.] But it'll blow if you let the idiots who gave us LXG or Elektra call the shots. Protoman:
I doesn't matter whether it's valid, as long as testor proves me wrong. 
Primus:
No industry person would "give away" a DVD to some random stranger, or leave it lying around, unless they wanted a pink slip the next day-guaranteed.
It's unusual for it to take this long to even have an official trailer. Del Toro would never get either Hellboy greenlit, if it took him the better part of the year to finish the main FX-I'll tell you that. WB at least had the excuse of having to worry about Iron Man and Ledger's death, when it came to holding out on TDK. And the first Fantastic Four had a lot more competition that year than DBZ, hence its delay. |
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tygerchickchibi
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*sighs.* I didn't even believe that was the official teaser trailer, honestly.
I guess most people on this thread did believe it? I was skeptical. Next to that, I'll have to agree with testorschoice. They did say their target date was in October, but it wasn't guaranteed. - A lot of people want to believe that it is the official trailer. - It is the official trailer. - It's not the official trailer, but indeed a promo (Especially if London was the only place it was shared). - A lot of people don't believe that it is the official trailer. - Rumors can be inaccurate and misleading. Last edited by tygerchickchibi on Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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testorschoice
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You avoided the question. Please demonstrate how a photo or an interview proves that an October trailer date was guaranteed, as you claimed earlier.
Please demonstrate which site said that the October 17 date was official and set in stone, and why that site is more trustworthy than IGN.
Please demonstrate that this decision was made at the last minute and not before it was revealed.
You're still misunderstanding. This is a video to get merchandising partners who actually make the products. You're jumping the gun.
Right, so that's why a cease-and-desist order is not enough.
The other reliable sites didn't say that October date was official or set in stone, despite what you claim. You still don't understand the process. The studio is not giving out the requisite approvals; it's obtaining the approvals from others for the trailer. And your timeline is still a leap of assumption on your part. |
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GATSU
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testor:
Because most studios don't wait six months after set and promo photos to put out a trailer?
The site IGN cited would be a good example. And if IGN can cite Coming Soon, then they should have a good reputation. Whether or not that makes CS more trustworthy than IGN is irrelevant.
It's only a week before Max Payne opens, and if FOX wanted to change dates for the trailer, they would have announced it at least a month in advance, since-again-it's one of the few tent-poles they have this year, and they'd want the largest possible target audience for DB.
The fact that the company chose to issue a statement after-and a few days after, to boot-the leaked trailer was on-line, and not before, would suggest that the studio, at the very least, had intentionally wanted to gauge reactions to it. Otherwise, they'd have acted a lot faster to shut down most of the offending sites. [FOX certainly had no problems doing so when it came to fan sites for Buffy and The Simpsons, either.]
Then why couldn't they just show the toy companies poses, descriptions, and/or head-shots of the characters? Why did they emphasize the action scenes, when they should be emphasizing the demographic appeal of said (potential) franchise?
But they chose that particular fan site to issue a statement.
They didn't say it wasn't set in stone, though.
Which "others" need to approve it? It owns the effing movie and the use of any images thereof! That's copyright law, bub. Even amateur bootleggers know at least that much. |
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britannicamoore
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Actually I don't want to believe that was the trailer. I'm hoping it was late april fools prank, and the real Dragonball film with Krillin will hit the theaters soon. And maybe he'll be a kid instead of a teen. 
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testorschoice
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Again, that doesn't prove that an October trailer date was guaranteed, like you claimed, as opposed to next month or the month after. You're still speculating without proof.
IGN cited Coming Soon by rightfully pointing out that Coming Soon is only making a "claim." IGN then double-checked and corrected Coming Soon's claim. It is relevant, since most people find IGN more trustworthy than Coming Soon--especially in this case, since IGN turned out to be right.
You're still missing the point. Fox didn't announced the October trailer date as official and set in stone in the first place.
Again, you're still calling this "the leaked trailer" when it was a licensing video. All your assumptions are based off that flawed premise.
They showed head shots and poses, and it's not just toy companies that attend the expo. You're still fixated on a misleading red herring.
And?
Which is why IGN corrected that info in August. And turned out to be right.
Again, you misunderstand the approval process. Depending on the contracts, the studio has to obtain clearances from the talent, the music rights holders, and a host of other companies. This isn't an issue of copyright laws, it's an issue of contractual obligations. |
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hikaru004
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It looks like an official trailer to me. |
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tygerchickchibi
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Trailers and promos are two different things, though. |
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fighterholic
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I don't even understand why this getting pushed back is such a big deal in the first place. I mean, there are a lot of times where movies get pushed back, mainly to avoid competition, so why all the skepticism and paranoia regarding this one? Is it the Apocalypse already?
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GATSU
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testor:
No, but there were very few chances they wouldn't guarantee it at that point.
The source also said that Oct. 17 was their "target date", thus reinforcing CS's credibility.
Now you're pulling generalizations out of your arse. Got any stats to back that up? Even if that's the case, though, that would just mean the fact that they still used CS as a source, in spite of their "fact-checking", means that CS is a reliable source for news. \
No, but they let it be assumed that that was the date at most sites, which probably means they were not seriously going to consider moving the trailer to a different date.
No, I think I got it right. They clearly were interested in mining the film for ancillary revenue, but if they had planned a different trailer, then they wouldn't release this one so close to the Max Payne film.
And you'd figure they'd go for the site which at least had the most hits, or an official one, like FUNimation's page.
IGN never corrected a thing. They just covered their butts. And it only turned out to be right after the "unofficial" trailer got leaked. I personally don't go for that self-fulfilling prophecy stuff, though.
The talent has no pull in Hollywood; the music is manufactured in the studio; and other companies[I'm assuming you're implying Shueisha and Toei.] gave up their rights of dissent the minute they signed the contract. fighter:
Well, it looks like crap, in spite of all the claims that it's "finished"; so the concern is that it'll be 2009's Ultraviolet. |
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tygerchickchibi
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Don't worry, it really isn't. |
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fighterholic
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GATSU, the fact of the matter is you are going back and forth with testor, and to be honest, neither of you are saying anything to really make the conversation interesting at all (though there are some things I agree with testor about). There's generalizations, lots of insults, and no links. Where does that take us?
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