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Mario1234567 wrote:

Not Taking sides but FUNimation also has Fullmetal Alchemist/One Piece/Soul Eater/in addition to there Dragonball Z. And Viz also has Bleach/DeathNote/Monster, and soon the Fangirls will be all over Vampire Knight. Sentai has Clannad Which is better than any of those shows put together I say they could have taken a Chance and succeed. Bandai has Gundam/Geass/Haruhi < And yet they don't dub things that should out right have dubs and they delay and over price EVERYTHING. They just need to just release a Lucky Star box-set so I can stop worrying about them. Media Blasters is the only Company that does Sub-only/Dub right except for Dojin Work >_>

Wait ... no. I cannot agree that Clannad is better than any of those other shows. That's just ridiculous. A moe harem show (as much as I love them) is NOT better overall than shows like FMA, Death Note, and Monster. Clannad has some amazing drama, but overall, it is awkward, clunky, and sometimes boring in comparison. The pacing is awful, and way too much time is wasted on side characters who don't matter in an effort to be "sad" (which sometimes works well, and other times fails miserably.)

Someone who isn't even an anime fan might like FMA or Monster ... as for Clannad, this is just NOT going to appeal to a casual fan.

jenthehen wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote: Not Taking sides but FUNimation also has Fullmetal Alchemist/One Piece/Soul Eater/in addition to there Dragonball Z. And Viz also has Bleach/DeathNote/Monster, and soon the Fangirls will be all over Vampire Knight. Sentai has Clannad Which is better than any of those shows put together I say they could have taken a Chance and succeed. Bandai has Gundam/Geass/Haruhi < And yet they don't dub things that should out right have dubs and they delay and over price EVERYTHING. They just need to just release a Lucky Star box-set so I can stop worrying about them. Media Blasters is the only Company that does Sub-only/Dub right except for Dojin Work >_> Wait ... no. I cannot agree that Clannad is better than any of those other shows. That's just ridiculous. A moe harem show (as much as I love them) is NOT better overall than shows like FMA, Death Note, and Monster. Clannad has some amazing drama, but overall, it is awkward, clunky, and sometimes boring in comparison. The pacing is awful, and way too much time is wasted on side characters who don't matter in an effort to be "sad" (which sometimes works well, and other times fails miserably.) Someone who isn't even an anime fan might like FMA or Monster ... as for Clannad, this is just NOT going to appeal to a casual fan.

Oh, jenthehen...you just don't get it, do you? See, Mario1234567 (or as I like to call him - "Super Genius") understands that dubbing decisions don't have anything to do with empirical evidence - heck, that's just silly. Why bother wasting your time in making boring ole sales projections and crunching numbers with respect to dubbing expenses? That's for sissies. No, the best way to make business decisions is just to find a show you rilly, rilly, rilly like and then - because you like it - assume that it will sell like gangbusters in the NA marketplace.

Thanks, Mario1234567! Your brand of searing intelligence is a real breath of fresh air around here, let me tell ya!

Not Taking sides but FUNimation also has Fullmetal Alchemist/One Piece/Soul Eater/in addition to there Dragonball Z. And Viz also has Bleach/DeathNote/Monster, and soon the Fangirls will be all over Vampire Knight.
Sentai has Clannad Which is better than any of those shows put together I say they could have taken a Chance and succeed.
Bandai has Gundam/Geass/Haruhi < And yet they don't dub things that should out right have dubs and they delay and over price EVERYTHING. They just need to just release a Lucky Star box-set so I can stop worrying about them.
Media Blasters is the only Company that does Sub-only/Dub right except for Dojin Work >_>

I have to agree with jenthehen, cost-wise the only anime worth dubbing are those that appeal to more casual, mainstream fans. I'm a dub fan myself but so far I'm fortunate that most of what I like gets dubbed. Moe shows are just too niche and it's a miracle that any get dubbed at all. The one anime I wish would get a dub would be Emma. Sadly, since it's shojo (and put out by a sub-only company), there's not much of a chance though I think it could do well. If there's one "niche" genre I wish would be dubbed it would be shojo. Unfortunately, shonen stuff is usually sure to sell so it always gets dubbed. Nothing against it, but I wish shojo got some equal love.

... and if I hear one my person complain about how her name is "Duck" in Princess Tutu and how terrible it is because "Ahiru" is sooooo much prettier (omfg, her name is NOT. SUPPOSED. TO. BE. PRETTY.) ... *shakes fist* ... I don't know, I just don't know.

jenthehen wrote:

... and if I hear one my person complain about how her name is "Duck" in Princess Tutu and how terrible it is because "Ahiru" is sooooo much prettier (omfg, her name is NOT. SUPPOSED. TO. BE. PRETTY.) ... *shakes fist* ... I don't know, I just don't know.

I...actually complained about that. But then again, I was watching the show subbed, and I think when you're watching something subbed, you want it to be closer to the original language than if you're watching it dubbed. And my complaints weren't so much about Duck not being as 'pretty' but from the simple fact that her name was 'Ahiru' and not 'Duck' They could have included a simple note explaining the name, and let it be.
I could understand though having her name be Duck in the dub version, as then it makes a bit more sense than having changed her name in the sub.
Ah well, I bought the show anyway, and I guess if it really bugs me that bad, I can just watch the fansubs. But I just wanted to explain why personally, the 'Duck' name change drove me insane.

Oh, and as a sub fan, I try not to be mean, and to be understanding, but some (only some. A lot of the dub fans on here have started to be more understanding of the situation, even if they don't like it. I can respect that.) of the dub fans are so childish, it's hard not to get grumpy with them. Ah well, I get back in my own little way - I rub my hands together and cackle with glee when I order a cart full of sub-only anime. (Sorry nice dub fans. I honestly am sympathetic about the no dub thing, I really am. I'm...just not a nice person)

Ah, I can understand what you're saying about duck/ahiru in the SUB version, for sure. I am definitely still willing to purchase sub-only, even though I prefer watching dubs ... in fact, it's great that you can get the shows for super cheap! I wish there were some more extras included, though :/

jenthehen wrote:

Ah, I can understand what you're saying about duck/ahiru in the SUB version, for sure. I am definitely still willing to purchase sub-only, even though I prefer watching dubs ... in fact, it's great that you can get the shows for super cheap! I wish there were some more extras included, though :/

I will admit that some of the companies (Sentai, Bandai) do cheap out on their sub-only sets, but, some of them are so cheap I won't complain. I generally don't watch fansubs, and if I can get a 26 episode show for $40, I'll shut my trap and shell out the cash.
However, Nozomi, they...are magical. I just ordered both Aria the Natural sets, and I got a President Aria doll, and a paper gondola model. The DVDs themselves have nice extras as well - Marimite had the omake on them, Aria had a travelogue with the director through Venice, great stuff. Rightstuf does go out of their way to make it up to people for the lack of dub, and even some hardcore dub fans have started to recognize this.

Anyway, I always thought that maybe a more risky company could adopt a pre-order deal the way Animego did with Yawara! Basically, if the dub fans really want that dub, they can put their money where their mouth is - if the licensor can get enough people to commit (and I mean, like plunk some cash down, as a promise that they will buy it) to a dub - enough to guarantee they will at least break even, then they can proceed with a dub, and set the final price according to how many pre-orders they get. If they don't get enough people to sign up, then they refund the money back, and can definitely say that there was not enough interest to profit for a dub.
Hell, even if, like someone suggested, they dub the better selling sub-only shows later down the road, and do a trade-in program, with a small fee, it might still work. Only the people who really want the dub will partake, the subbies like me will continue to hang on to their sub-only sets, everyone wins.

Blood- wrote:

jenthehen wrote: Mario1234567 wrote: Not Taking sides but FUNimation also has Fullmetal Alchemist/One Piece/Soul Eater/in addition to there Dragonball Z. And Viz also has Bleach/DeathNote/Monster, and soon the Fangirls will be all over Vampire Knight. Sentai has Clannad Which is better than any of those shows put together I say they could have taken a Chance and succeed. Bandai has Gundam/Geass/Haruhi < And yet they don't dub things that should out right have dubs and they delay and over price EVERYTHING. They just need to just release a Lucky Star box-set so I can stop worrying about them. Media Blasters is the only Company that does Sub-only/Dub right except for Dojin Work >_> Wait ... no. I cannot agree that Clannad is better than any of those other shows. That's just ridiculous. A moe harem show (as much as I love them) is NOT better overall than shows like FMA, Death Note, and Monster. Clannad has some amazing drama, but overall, it is awkward, clunky, and sometimes boring in comparison. The pacing is awful, and way too much time is wasted on side characters who don't matter in an effort to be "sad" (which sometimes works well, and other times fails miserably.) Someone who isn't even an anime fan might like FMA or Monster ... as for Clannad, this is just NOT going to appeal to a casual fan. Oh, jenthehen...you just don't get it, do you? See, Mario1234567 (or as I like to call him - "Super Genius") understands that dubbing decisions don't have anything to do with empirical evidence - heck, that's just silly. Why bother wasting your time in making boring ole sales projections and crunching numbers with respect to dubbing expenses? That's for sissies. No, the best way to make business decisions is just to find a show you rilly, rilly, rilly like and then - because you like it - assume that it will sell like gangbusters in the NA marketplace. Thanks, Mario1234567! Your brand of searing intelligence is a real breath of fresh air around here, let me tell ya!

I just can't believe some of the ridiculous crap he spouts! I mean, that's fine, Mario, if you love Clannad. It's a good show, and I like it as well (although I love Kanon and Air much more!) It can be your favorite show, and you could write a thesis on why you love it, but it is just NOT POPULAR WITH MAINSTREAM AMERICA. Even thought it has a strong internet following, it's mostly fansub watchers who won't shell out the money for it. Yes, that sucks. It sucks that there is no dub. But it's perfectly understandable WHY the industry is doing what it's doing.

In any case, my point is this: don't resent Nozomi for picking up niche titles and giving them the sub-only treatment. They are providing a valuable service in making titles available that otherwise would not see the light of day, subbed OR dubbed. Trust me, if Nozomi thought it could make more money releasing its titles dubbed, it would. Shawne doesn't strike me as the kind of businessperson who would turn up his nose at the chance to make more money as opposed to less.

The only problem with your proposal, Quark is that many dub fans are less hardcore. They don't buy their anime online, they don't really read ANN, or look into the companies much. So the whole notion of a pre-order to get a dub might happen without them even being aware of it. And without support from these fans, who would buy it if there was a dub, well we might never get enough pre-orders to get a dub. But hell they should try, you never know. It's worth a shot at the very least. I like the idea.