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Drunk_Samurai
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Easy. First you take off your tin foil hat and then you quit trolling. |
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siradix
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Cartoons as sentient beings? Next thing you know, HAARP will be involved in someway.
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Takeyo
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I try to stay out of these kinds of heated discussions, but, wow. That has to be one of the most singularly stupid counterarguments I have ever read. Kudos. |
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CCSYueh
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Each country of this world has laws which other countries may or may not share. Here in the US we have 50 united, but separate & sovereign states where what is illegal in one state may not be illegal in another. Right now we're seeing some of the insanity of prosecuting people across state lines in that Max Hardcore Florida case, but overall, Canada isn't going to reach into America to prosecute American citizens for doing stuff that's legal here, but not legal there if it isn't affecting their citizens (say an American on Twitter or Facebook proclaiming their activities). So all these poor, ravaged drawings that exist in your quantum reality would STILL have to be protected by their OWN universe, not ours. Sorry. That is sooooo...60's hippy, dude (or dudette). The whole butterfly dreaming stuff. So next you want to arrest people for having wet dreams about children? I mean, what if we're all psychic & our dreams are alternate worlds so all that stuff is real. Kill someone in your dream? Murderer! You can spend so much time in your fantasy life, you'll never make it back. |
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PetrifiedJello
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Sure, but you're not going to like it. 
I do not care if my anime is edited. I do not care about the censorship issue. I do not want this crap in my entertainment. I will not write objections to companies who want to edit. I do not like censorship, but do like having the option to fight it when I feel it's appropriate. I will not advocate against the edits nor tell people they're wrong for doing it. Now, to this news, I do not care what happens in Japan. I will not shed any tears if I can't see little girls dancing around in their underwear if the law is passed. I will still buy anime, because there's more to it than just panty shots. Censorship battles have their place, but this isn't one of them for me. While others will defend against the principle of it, touting "where's the line?", I again do not care. You and others can fight all you want because win or lose, I still win.
Exactly, and I'm one who did the work before the rest of you. I'm tired. I want to relax and watch anime. So, I pass my torch onto you, the young fighter, who believes they can change the world. Oh, and you missed a spot. Rewash that last dish, will ya.
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keikanki
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That's the other set of dishes. I think those are the ones from the night you had dish duty...
You're not following my analogy. If you're going to take issue with what I said to/about Blood-, you've got to follow the thread of the conversation and understand I was actually saying first. Not caring about this news item, choosing not to take a stand on the issue, while regrettable (see Gaiman's icky speech essay in re Handley) is not of concern to me. Personal opinion is personal opinion. What is very much of concern to me is taking that a step further and supporting acts of censorship because you feel reckless disregard for unintended consequences and wrongful convictions ("who gives a shit about that?") when high profile cases of recent legal precedent demonstrate unequivocally that turning a blind eye in that way is completely unacceptable public policy. |
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Drunk_Samurai
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No. You lose no matter what since censorship is wrong regardless of the reason. |
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Hannish Lightning
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Even if your censoring real CP? That's sick. |
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hissatsu01
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Filled your quota of trolling yet? Last edited by hissatsu01 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Freeloder
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This is the 4 or 5 time this kind of subject appeared on the forum and you could argue forever without reaching a conclusion .
What I'm about to say will probably offend a lot of you or you might find it insulting so I apologize beforehand. Many of you come from different countries with different laws, culture, religion so you wont be able to see eye to eye but when they hear “protecting our children” everybody jumps it isn’t a bad thing just predictable. As someone mentioned before (and I agree) this is just for show because “god fearing people/ decent people” bla bla bla have to take a stand bla bla bla this is nothing more than a witchhunt. Society cannot change for the better without its citizens: -catholic priests were accused and some convicted of being pedophiles, but we still trust priests -every year at least 1 teenager goes to his school and starts shooting classmates and or teachers, but the school are open and bullies still roam free -teenagers who played certain games and committed crimes because he could do them in the game, but sales haven’t really dropped and no laws to edit, censure or ban appeared on the contrary more violent games were made I have no idea what kind of repercussions would follow if a law like this was accepted not because of the actual law but the reason behind the law. Just a quick question did anyone or can anyone say for certain that if lolis are banned the pedophile, rape cases will drop? And back on topic this is a law in case something happens, some said better safe than sorry and I agree we can survive without panty flashing but since were there can’t we survive without violent games, violent movies, penthouse, porn other erotic materials books, and we can live like the amish so far I haven’t heard of any amish pedophiles. So why don’t we just give up everything for our children because when we see the child we feel pity, anger a desire to make a change but as soon as we get home/ change channel/ read a different article since he’s a stranger most will simply forget, put it out of their mind since this is not their problem. Years ago one of my neighbors was abducted she was 12 years old at the time and was missing for almost five days during which the police did almost nothing, no one in the neighborhood saw anything and they didn’t even care. Afterwards she was found raped and beaten and the ones who did that were never caught and I think that there are countless cases such as this or even worse but we have to ban lolis, to arrest the Handleys, since I think all governments showed that they are incapable of physically protecting the children they have to at least make a show so welcome to the circus. |
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zargas
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Sadly, Amish child abuse (including sexual abuse) is nothing new: http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.msp Modern media doesn't corrupt mankind, it's just a handy scapegoat. |
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enurtsol
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Ya guys should realize that Japanese politics works in mysterious ways.
For instance, they still believe that it is best for children of a divorce to have access to only one parent ever. That's why they're still not a signatory to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. |
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CCSYueh
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This is an anime/manga board. We are not discussing ACTUAL children, but drawings someone put onto paper/into a computer/whatever. That UN drive against child porn that's so upset about anime & manga talks about the number of images they've located, blocked, etc., but where's the proof the cartoons have actually harmed children? That article link provided a few pages back spoke of child porn being harmful to children's self esteem, but these are FAKE kids. How can they have any esteem? This is the psychobable of not flunking kids doing badly in school because it hurts their self esteem not to promote with the rest of the class, so then the kids get so far behind, they can't graduate high school because they can't finish the finals. It shows a major lack of faith in the strength of children. It shows a huge lack of faith in people's own skills to rear their children properly. The sad reality is, unlike a dog or cat or one's job, the whole point of the job of parenting is to produce responsible adults. Making endless excuses, PROTECTING them from the harsh realities of life does children no good. It is HARD to let a child fall & pick itself up again, but that is what one has to do. One has to know which battles the child needs to fight & which the parent should fight in the name of protecting their child. I've associated with far too many parents as my daughter was growing up who took the coward's way--didn't talk to their kids about the harsh realities of life. That, in my opinion is the cruelest child abuse of all. My mother over-protected me so that when I became an adult & got married, I cried many, many times over how hard & cruel the world is. I made sure my daughter fought enough of her own battles that she is, at 19, way ahead of that curve I went thru. TELL your child age appropriate things about stranger danger. When my daughter was 7 or 8 a report broke of a teen who killed a neighbor girl about that age & hid her body in his room, I told my daughter about it as a warning it could happen. Most of the parents of her friends were furious with me telling my daughter about such a horrible thing because of course my child passed the story on. This virtual child porn is exactly in that light. If we can only remove all offensive images that disturb us, then this won't happen, right? Forget the fact there is rape, murder & abuse in the Bible showing it has always, always, always happened. If we can eliminate all the offensive images & think happy thoughts we can bring about world harmony & peace & love & happiness for all. It's a band-aid on a festering wound. It's clean & covered, so one doens't have to look at it until the puss oozes out or the area turns black. There's nothing I've seen linking virtual porn to actual crimes. Even if one can find one or 2 cases, it doesn't equal out to the number of these crimes committed.
I've been squishy about Catholics & the apparent idea one can do anything & just confess & be forgiven. Sorry. The Pope is no big deal to me either. I do think Mother Teresa did a lot of good.
This argument flies in the face of your later argument. If one favors banning virtual porn, then one should favor banning guns because a gun might be used to kill an innocent person. The gun lobby is the only reason we don't get anywhere on the school shooting stuff.
Keep watching. They're working on it We went from parents actually taking the time to know what their kids are listening to, but oh, my god, that's too much, don't you think? Is it such a big deal to rate records? Yes, it was & is. That Al Gore, a senator representing our government & the freedoms it should stand for, could sit there in the PMRC hearing & ask Dee Snyder if it was reasonable for a parent to have to listen to EVERY RECORD their child has was unforgivable. How is it society's job to parent other people's children? Every parent SHOULD know what their children are doing, who they're chatting with online. One of the best pieces of advice I heard from the "prepare your child" side was the warning an adult should NEVER be asking a child for directions, etc. so one should warn one's child to stay clear of any adult doing such a thing.
Let's see, my mother was raped when she was 15 or 16 so that would have been around 1948. This was back before we had tvs in every home & internet access, etc. No anime loli girls for sure. The woman mom babysat for usually went with her boyfriend to drop mom off, but this one time, she had something to to, so she trusted the boyfriend to drive mom home & he raped mom. Back then it was the girl's fault for being raped, so mom just dropped out of school. It's always been around. On the other hand, Handley apparently used this material for years & had the post office not inspected that package, he would still be doing so with no actual children harmed. No women either, for that matter. The "sick people" who might be set off by violent video games or virtual or real porn need to be treated. That the majority of society seems able to view these images & be responsible adults suggests there is no harm to make believe |
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Dante80
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How do I know that you are not a sentient carrot or broccoli ?
Blood-, think of it this way. Lets say that you are right, and lolicon can drive some non-practicing pedos to action. Lets also say that I'm right, and lolicon keeps at bay (by catering for their fantasies) far more non-practicing pedos that would otherwise resort to action, or real CP. What would a lolicon ban result in? Are you willing to bet that by supporting it? You cant advocate baning sth just because you don't like it. Its far more complex than that. |
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PetrifiedJello
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I don't do dishes. That's why I have a wife. (would a winky smile do any good here?) *drops can opener
Aside from the detour and flat tire, your analogy's been very easy to follow. It's those pot holes, in the form of questions, which made it difficult.
But I didn't take issue. Merely pointed out an observation.
Then so allow the public policy to fight the proposed law... in Japan.
My platinum trophy of Excellence in Anime Viewing states I do win. Regardless of the outcome in Japan, I win because you haven't stated what I'd lose. The comment about the wife was a joke, though she does do the dishes only because she says I'm like a duck in water when I wash them. What's that mean, anyway? Duck in water. Guess it explains those extra bubbles. |
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