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Chicks On Anime - The Perfect Man(?)

CCSYueh wrote:

On Light being gay, his creator (Ohba) stated "He's likely not capable of loving a woman.".

Not to butt in on your conversation, but Ohba probably just meant that in the sense that Light is not capable of loving, period.

Kamina is bold, an excellent friend, and dynamic. He's also close-minded, rude, and selfish--and his behavior towards women is sometimes on the far end of the disgusting side.

I couldn't date someone from a harem anime because a guy from a harem anime is indecisive by nature!

Top Gun wrote:

To stay with the original topic a bit, I personally find it rather mystifying why so many women seem attracted to the pretty-boy "bishie" stereotype, since it's just about the exact opposite of the archetype that I strive for as a male.

I'm using your post as a springboard to talk about something that really, really bothers me, but I don't mean it as a personal attack on you, since I know this comment was probably made in good faith.

Having said that, one of the most frustrating things about interacting in fandom is the idea a lot of men have about "why don't you like my type of guy?" Kamina has been thrown around this thread a lot, and I can unequivocally say that I would never ever date a guy like him, despite his interesting depth of character and good qualities. (I love Kamina as a character) Kamina is bold, an excellent friend, and dynamic. He's also close-minded, rude, and selfish--and his behavior towards women is sometimes on the far end of the disgusting side.

But you get that sort of thing a lot. That whole handed dismissal of "bishounen" as being proof that all women are lesbians, or they have terrible taste in guys. When I look at a "bishounen", unless he is supposed to be a crossdresser, I see a man. It doesn't matter to me if he has long hair, or is somewhat slender--after all, I'm still a woman if I have a shaved head and any body shape imaginable. But somehow, it always ends up that my eyes are "wrong", and the male perspective is inevitably the right one. Even other girls will talk disparagingly about another girl's taste, as though that gives them extra bonus points in the boys' treehouse.

This bothers me even though my own taste doesn't even run towards bishounen. I'm more interested in dissecting characterization than making a harem, but on my very short "would date if real" list (him, him, him, and him), I think most fall under "acceptable" standards of masculinity. That doesn't make my taste better than a girl's list who would be filled with CLAMP characters or any other shoujo series, though.

(Big props for getting Tenma in there, though. )

That's why I love Ouran so much. Plenty of Bishie but they aren't all over Haruhi who is a pretty strong girl anyway. We pretty much know from chapter 1 or episode 1 that it's going to be Haruhi and Tamaki in the end. The manga isn't even finished yet and no one has any doubts about that.

DomFortress wrote:

Nothing is more cruel than a child's mind, for they don't know the difference between good and evil.

Ooh wow, that is so DEEP!

Can I call you DomFortuneCookie?

- abunai
I take it you've never had anything to do with actual 3D children?

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A child's mind isn't fully developed when they're born. In fact, medical science had proven that the human's brain development starts from the reptilian brain, which allows us to behave on pure animal instincts that will ensure the survival of our species. It's what triggers our sexual behaviors, defends ourselves via fight or flight, and installs our will to power for might is/makes right.

The point was CHILDREN
I didn't say INFANTS.
LeVey who wrote the Satanic Bible. LeVey who allegedly cast the curse that decapitated Jane Mansfield. His opinion is until a child is taught polite society laws it is closer to his vision of what Satan is & thus a true Satanist would never sacrifice a child because they would be sacrificing Satan.
Go read the Satanic Bible yourself if you don't believe me. It was only to debate the comment children are cruel. They aren't. They're just selfish. One of the things they are taught is to start thinking of others & not themselves all the time

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So good luck trying to reason with an infant, when they're crying at the top of their lungs based on survival instincts, not thinking.

Again, I said CHILD
Not INFANT.
And actually, one of the things that drove my mother-in-law crazy was "You talk to her like she's a teen. She's only 5" I ALWAYS explained everything to my daughter so she would understand why I wanted her to do things. She always had a huge vocabulary & has always excelled in English.

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I respect Spike from Cowboy Bebop because you can see throughout the series that what he respects the most is the natural orders of things.

I didn't get that.
I mean he was yakuza, ran & spent much of his life basically in hiding from his past. He did step up when he finally needed to finish things with Vicious, but the fact is, he could have hunted Vicious down & confronted him earler. He only did so when the situation called for it. Had the situation remained as it had, there is a good chance Spike would never have returned to confront Vicious.
In that respect, Spike falls into the "Reluctant Hero" category of bishonen.
"The Reluctant Hero never wanted responsibility, but takes it on because he must. Often, he is a decent person who just does what's right, or a rogue in denial of his better side. Possibly this guy needs to be coaxed into action, or a drastic event (such as danger befalling a loved one) will bring out his good side, changing his character completely. "

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People often aren't on the same trans of thoughts because we have 3 brain structures, and each behaves differently as we act according to which part of the brain that's engaging at the moment. And to top it off, the thinking process is the behaviorism of our neocortex, which also houses our courage, morality, civility, communications and complex movements.

I'm a Gemini from SoCal.
We're confusing creatures.

Perhaps you should take some kids classes at your local church, and see for yourself just like I did, how a whining and complaining adult is like a child with a temper tantrum.

DomFortress wrote:

Perhaps you should take some kids classes at your local church, and see for yourself just like I did, how a whining and complaining adult is like a child with a temper tantrum.

It's hardly necessary to look further than your posts. If you were even a fraction as wise and intelligent and all-around great as you would have us believe, you might be a damn sight less obnoxious.

As it is, go for a walk. A long one. And when you get back, decide whether you want to go on posting here. If you do, then you had better get your act together. So far, you are failing every requirement.

- abunai

abunai wrote:

DomFortress wrote: Perhaps you should take some kids classes at your local church, and see for yourself just like I did, how a whining and complaining adult is like a child with a temper tantrum. It's hardly necessary to look further than your posts. If you were even a fraction as wise and intelligent and all-around great as you would have us believe, you might be a damn sight less obnoxious. As it is, go for a walk. A long one. And when you get back, decide whether you want to go on posting here. If you do, then you had better get your act together. So far, you are failing every requirement. - abunai

If that was true, I would be the one who ended up with a God complex. And I will then proceed to tell the whole world to just "take a number".

Also, I'm not the one that would walkout on anything. I train physically to the point of failure, so I can come back relaxed yet strong.

And finally, don't be so rash on passing judgment on someone you hardly knew anything about. Unless of course that's how you proceed to pass judgment on everything, including yourself.

DomFortress wrote:

abunai wrote: DomFortress wrote: Perhaps you should take some kids classes at your local church, and see for yourself just like I did, how a whining and complaining adult is like a child with a temper tantrum. It's hardly necessary to look further than your posts. If you were even a fraction as wise and intelligent and all-around great as you would have us believe, you might be a damn sight less obnoxious. As it is, go for a walk. A long one. And when you get back, decide whether you want to go on posting here. If you do, then you had better get your act together. So far, you are failing every requirement. - abunai If that was true, I would be the one who ended up with a God complex. And I will then proceed to tell the whole world to just "take a number". Also, I'm not the one that would walkout on anything. I train physically to the point of failure, so I can come back relaxed yet strong. And finally, don't be so rash on passing judgment on someone you hardly knew anything about. Unless of course that's how you proceed to pass judgment on everything, including yourself.

I can't believe this hasn't ended...

Dom, my problem is that you seem to devolve all your theories out of books and your room, or apartment as it may be. You say to go out and find children to observe, and that they are somehow feral demons who must be pounded and sculpted into acceptable citizens. As a father of two, and having worked very hard at treating them as simply bodily-immature adults, your observation is entirely flawed.

Children aren't even self-centered beyond communicating their physical needs. Not having language leaves them no choice but to cry to let you know they need something. But they more often smile and laugh when treated properly. Their primary motivation is discovery, first how to get control of their appendages, but also to classify their external inputs.

Their primary method of social development at early ages is mimicry of others, which requires them to observe, just like adults do (or don't). In a calm but engaging, supportive environment, an infant is seen to be observing their environment with all the capability and attention span of a normal adult. Even the "terrible two's" and other such labels based on limited observation in improper environments, is a falsehood. I've seen plenty of completely well-behaved infants. Besides adult behavior towards and around them, other factors can cause upset. Diet, for instance. Sugar is a big contributor, but I've seen a terrible two be completely cured by supplementing their diet with B1.

Every child is born with the full faculties of reason--it isn't created by some chemical reaction that magically occurs at age 6. Or is it 8, or 4, or... What's necessary is to acknowledge and respect that capability in a child, and assist them as quickly and as best as possible to gain the data and motor skills they need in order to analyze, understand and gain control in their environment.

If everyone over the age of 1 somehow died, the human race would end there. Most animals require a period of parenting to survive, but none more than a human baby, precisely because any animal instincts they have are virtually non-existent compared to their power of reason. If what you said was true, you could just leave some food and water in a dish by the blanket, and not have to worry.

I would like to hear how your theories encompass Mozart, for instance, who began playing competent piano at age 4, and composing at age 5.

See, I just love these "everybody knows" pronouncements that conveniently ignore the exceptions to their pet theories.

And finally, don't be so rash on passing judgment on someone you hardly knew anything about. Unless of course that's how you proceed to pass judgment on everything, including yourself.

DomFortress wrote:

And finally, don't be so rash on passing judgment on someone you hardly knew anything about. Unless of course that's how you proceed to pass judgment on everything, including yourself.

It is hardly "rash" to pass judgement on you based on your behaviour in the forum, since that (as you seem to have forgotten) is my function here. Like it or not, you are judged on your conduct here, not on the basis of whatever imaginary merit you may conceive yourself to have accrued in other areas.

You have been given ample opportunity to engage in constructive debate, but your only contribution has been self-aggrandizement and condescension towards the other posters.

Frankly, I'm running out of the patience required to give you further chances to correct your behaviour -- and I suspect that benching you would result in a loud sigh of relief from all corners of the forum.

Be advised that you are at the end of your rope.

- abunai

Can we agree that while no children aren't totally evil they aren't rays of sunshine either.

As well I can recount tales of both benevolence and cruelty from my own child hood that can pretty much nix the statement "Children are inherently good."

As to faculties and reasoning? From a standpoint they have to be an adult to make any major decision, just because you think they are reasonable or responsible doesn't mean they can get a cell phone contract or buy a car or so on. Children just don't understand exactly what is going on in those type of situations. Now if you trust them to look after the house by themselves, well that is partly the parent's decision and the age of the children in question (Like I imagine there would be trouble leaving a 4 year old by themselves.)

I'm also willing to say that every child has the capability of learning, but full reasoning kinda does come with age. (Imagine trying to understand "heavy" concepts like faith, politics, right and wrong, so on)

Here's another piece of fact to consider, I'm an ANN subscriber. So while I'm being different than the rest of the community, as an ANN official, you are all too eager to take me out despise my contribution. All because I was not being wrong, but being different.