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Yeah, well American aren't big fan of foreign film and also Are you not aware Japan has been remaking American films since 2008 (or are you in denial that Japan/Asia has never remake American films), how do you explain that?

Anti_Nadalista wrote:

OH yeah!!! Warner Bros is behind this project. It's very strange how most of the remakes in Asia were produced by Hollywood Studios .

everyone spewing 'hypocrisy' doesnt seem to realize that a lot of these remakes are driven by Americans in the first place. plus when Asia does it it's usually not in an attempt to racially clense something. America can remake Dragonball but still cast an Asian as Goku, since there's a lot of Asian actors here, but they don't, they make him white so the average movie goer will go to it. there's not exactly a lot of white actors in Japan since its a very homogenized country. trying to say it's the same thing is hypocrisy doesn't really address the key problems people have with these films, which is usually whitewashing and keeping Asian actors down in Hollywood. Japan shows American movies subtitled in their theaters, something that is practically unheard of for America doing the opposite with foreign films. its nowhere near the same kind of thing -_-;

mdo7 wrote:

Yeah, well American aren't big fan of foreign film and also Are you not aware Japan has been remaking American films since 2008 (or are you in denial that Japan/Asia has never remake American films), how do you explain that?

(Hollywood has been remaking Japanese films (and I would assume the inverse is true) since at LEAST the 1950s)

AmpersandsUnited wrote:

Anti_Nadalista wrote: OH yeah!!! Warner Bros is behind this project. It's very strange how most of the remakes in Asia were produced by Hollywood Studios . everyone spewing 'hypocrisy' doesnt seem to realize that a lot of these remakes are driven by Americans in the first place. plus when Asia does it it's usually not in an attempt to racially clense something. America can remake Dragonball but still cast an Asian as Goku, since there's a lot of Asian actors here, but they don't, they make him white so the average movie goer will go to it. there's not exactly a lot of white actors in Japan since its a very homogenized country. trying to say it's the same thing is hypocrisy doesn't really address the key problems people have with these films, which is usually whitewashing and keeping Asian actors down in Hollywood. Japan shows American movies subtitled in their theaters, something that is practically unheard of for America doing the opposite with foreign films. its nowhere near the same kind of thing -_-;

Wow, look at this guy, and he said I'm bias once. Pot meet kettle? It is exactly the same kind of thing buddy boy, whether you choose to accept it or not. Being an apologist doesn't change reality, and the reality is you have one side doing the exact same thing as the other, and those with a bias refuse to acknowledge it or come up with excuses as to why it's justified in one situation and outright evil in the other. It's blatant fanboyism and extends well beyond even just "whitewashing" or "yellow-washing" or whatever stupid term people decide to use to fire themselves up over nothing. Heck, you need only look at anime adaptations like "Gankutsuou" which "anime-washed" (I guess you could say) a literary classic. Not up in arms about that one now are you? Of course not, because in that case you were the one being catered to, rather than the fan being ignored.

It's a freaking stupid argument, all of it. Everybody does it, they've all been doing it for hundreds of years since cultures have mixed. You know what? They're going to keep doing it. Just because some fanboys decided to delude themselves in to believing perfection exists amongst what they've adopted doesn't make reality any different. You'll see it in the US, Europe, Russia, Australia, Japan, China, and if there were aliens on the moon you can bet your ass they'd be doing it too. You'll see it in all mediums, whether live-action, animated, literary, and so on. These arguments border on the moronic at this point because it really seems that people get a little too eager to attack someone else and bury their heads in the sand when it comes back at them. I swear, some of the selective reasoning present here is worse than politics.

Not to mention, this exact same discussion coming up again in another thread completely shouldn't even be happening. Is it going to be that everytime a cross-culture adaptation shows up the same people are going to overrun the thread with this exact same discussion. I can tell you right now that isn't going to fly.

Keonyn wrote:

AmpersandsUnited wrote: Anti_Nadalista wrote: OH yeah!!! Warner Bros is behind this project. It's very strange how most of the remakes in Asia were produced by Hollywood Studios . everyone spewing 'hypocrisy' doesnt seem to realize that a lot of these remakes are driven by Americans in the first place. plus when Asia does it it's usually not in an attempt to racially clense something. America can remake Dragonball but still cast an Asian as Goku, since there's a lot of Asian actors here, but they don't, they make him white so the average movie goer will go to it. there's not exactly a lot of white actors in Japan since its a very homogenized country. trying to say it's the same thing is hypocrisy doesn't really address the key problems people have with these films, which is usually whitewashing and keeping Asian actors down in Hollywood. Japan shows American movies subtitled in their theaters, something that is practically unheard of for America doing the opposite with foreign films. its nowhere near the same kind of thing -_-; Wow, look at this guy, and he said I'm bias once. Pot meet kettle? It is exactly the same kind of thing buddy boy, whether you choose to accept it or not. Being an apologist doesn't change reality, and the reality is you have one side doing the exact same thing as the other, and those with a bias refuse to acknowledge it or come up with excuses as to why it's justified in one situation and outright evil in the other. It's blatant fanboyism and extends well beyond even just "whitewashing" or "yellow-washing" or whatever stupid term people decide to use to fire themselves up over nothing. Heck, you need only look at anime adaptations like "Gankutsuou" which "anime-washed" (I guess you could say) a literary classic. Not up in arms about that one now are you? Of course not, because in that case you were the one being catered to, rather than the fan being ignored. It's a freaking stupid argument, all of it. Everybody does it, they've all been doing it for hundreds of years since cultures have mixed. You know what? They're going to keep doing it. Just because some fanboys decided to delude themselves in to believing perfection exists amongst what they've adopted doesn't make reality any different. You'll see it in the US, Europe, Russia, Australia, Japan, China, and if there were aliens on the moon you can bet your ass they'd be doing it too. You'll see it in all mediums, whether live-action, animated, literary, and so on. These arguments border on the moronic at this point because it really seems that people get a little too eager to attack someone else and bury their heads in the sand when it comes back at them. I swear, some of the selective reasoning present here is worse than politics. Not to mention, this exact same discussion coming up again in another thread completely shouldn't even be happening. Is it going to be that everytime a cross-culture adaptation shows up the same people are going to overrun the thread with this exact same discussion. I can tell you right now that isn't going to fly.

you are being bias if you can't see what the clear difference is between these two situations. Even mdo7 admitted America is not big into foreign films while Japan is. Japan casting a Japanese in Thermae Romae is because there is not a huge supply of Italian actors in Japan. it's not because they felt an Italian lead would make people not want to see the movie like they did in Last Airbender or 21 or any similar movie here. those casting decisions are primarily grounded in the idea white America will not see a film starring an Asian lead.

your logic reminds me of those people I see who complain why we have black history month but not 'white history month'. it's not some simple eye for an eye scenario here. you can walk into a Japanese movie theater and see Avengers dubbed or subbed if you wish. there is no latent racism there like there is here. bringing up anime only hurts your side of the argument more. you can have anime about any culture, gender or path of life. there's barely any cartoons about black people on TV, and the only ones about asians are the ones that try to cash in on anime. You really do seem to be blind to the differences in the industry if you can not even acknowledge this fundamental differences in the way one country's media is more open than the other.

you are being bias if you can't see what the clear difference is between these two situations. Even mdo7 admitted America is not big into foreign films while Japan is. Japan casting a Japanese in Thermae Romae is because there is not a huge supply of Italian actors in Japan. it's not because they felt an Italian lead would make people not want to see the movie like they did in Last Airbender or 21 or any similar movie here. those casting decisions are primarily grounded in the idea white America will not see a film starring an Asian lead.

your logic reminds me of those people I see who complain why we have black history month but not 'white history month'. it's not some simple eye for an eye scenario here. you can walk into a Japanese movie theater and see Avengers dubbed or subbed if you wish. there is no latent racism there like there is here. bringing up anime only hurts your side of the argument more. you can have anime about any culture, gender or path of life. there's barely any cartoons about black people on TV, and the only ones about asians are the ones that try to cash in on anime. You really do seem to be blind to the differences in the industry if you can not even acknowledge this fundamental differences in the way one country's media is more open than the other.

And even if you say oh well changing the character from Japanese to Korean or Chinese isn't a problem because they're still Asian, it is. Race relations between those countries aren't exactly perfect and there are people who do get offended by it.

AmpersandsUnited wrote:

Nationality =\= race you know Koreans are still Asians, right?

Heheheh, that can actually be quite insulting to some Japanese - they don't identify themselves as Asians.

Also, some Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are insulted when Westerners just group them together, like they all look the same. Remember the controversy when they casted Chinese actresses for Memoirs of a Geisha........ They were insulted that Hollywood is insinuating that just because they're East Asians, that they could just be interchanged with each other and be none the worse for it.