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Aaron White
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:38 pm Reply with quote
Honey, people who send emails like that are idiots and you shouldn't worry about them. But going on message boards and typing stuff about how yuri is bad and anyone who likes it is bad will only invite abuse. If you don't like abuse, don't do things that will invite abuse.

Around here most people only wonder why you think comics about gay boys are great but comics about gay girls are bad. That doesn't make any sense. If one's okay the other's okay, and if one's bad the other must be bad too.
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Karorin



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:05 am Reply with quote
That is totally and completely unture!!

Yaoi is great, lovely and gorgeous!!

yuri is the complete opposite and gross and there are alot out there who agree with me.

the two genres are completely different and aren't alike in any way!
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:27 am Reply with quote
Karorin wrote:
That is totally and completely unture!!

Yaoi is great, lovely and gorgeous!!

yuri is the complete opposite and gross and there are alot out there who agree with me.

the two genres are completely different and aren't alike in any way!

This again? Where's GATSU when you need him?
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studioplugnplay



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:43 pm Reply with quote
Karorin wrote:
I'm old enough to know what I love and what I absoltely hate.

And nothing will change my mind about it.

An email I just recieved from being on another forum.
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you are dumb, bastards that shouldnt have been born. guys will abuse you till the end of time. cause your worthless I hope yaoi dies, I don't care what you say


yeh I'm the horrible one. totally.


Well no offense but if you're over there sprouting word-barf like this, the odds are you deserved the flaming email. I can't believe your behavior here Karorin, I know damn well it wouldn't be tolerated at the DMP Forum. Your flaming, pure and simple. You know people here don't share your views and rather than just let it go you keep baiting them.

**Please do not judge all yaoi fans by this girl, she is truly in the minority because we all, as a rule, do not act this way.**
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DazzleNeko



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:18 pm Reply with quote
Gosh, Karorin. I remember you from the DMP forum. I never thought you would stoop so low as to go this far for your hatred of yuri and its fans.

I don't like to gossip about people, but this is the same person who has insulting some of the lesbians(real life ones, to clarify) at another forum because she thought they were gross. Do you have a problem against women in general? Everytime you see a woman in anime who happens to be scantily dressed, you hate her. What's your problem?

I can understand how you feel about some guys saying it's ok to like yuri and gross for girls to like yaoi. But that's just a few closed minded guys, as you are one of the few closed-minded girls who bashes yuri but not yaoi. You are being exactly like them.

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the two genres are completely different and aren't alike in any way!


Yes they are. One is about boys falling in love with boys. One is about girls falling in love with girls. I see a lot of similarities.

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Its just a [expletive] excuse for men to have more porn to look at any females who like it are obvious [expletive] lesbians themselves and its completely disguisting and [expletive] gross.


So what's wrong with lesbians in real life? How come it's ok for guys to be gay, and not for girls? I guess you could switch that around. Gay guys could be screwing each other as an excuse to have more porn targeted to gay guys or girls. Really, you contradict yourself. If it's bad for guys or lesbians to watch yuri for pleasure, then it should be bad for yaoi fans to look at yaoi for pleasure. I don't see how you can like one and hate the other. I think you're homophobic. Lesbians in real life don't like other women so they can give men an excuse to see more porn. It's because are attracted to the same gender and can't help it. Same for gay guys. Why aren't you saying guys are screwing other guys just to give yaoi fangirls more porn to look at, because it can go each way.

I really wish you'd get your act up. Your ingnorance gives yaoi fangirls a bad name.

And what studioplugnplay said, don't think all yaoi fangirls are this way. She's one of the few ingonorant rabid fangirls out there. I'm a yaoi fan myself, but I definenly don't mind yuri. I sort of find it to be cute.

I can't remember if this is my first post or not. What a way to make an entrance. Razz
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astra



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:00 pm Reply with quote
There is one nasty aspect of truth in what Karorin is saying. Yuri that's thrown in just for the fanservice really pisses me off. This doesn't just apply to anime. In fact, I think its worse in alot of Western media and society. It seems every girl and her mother (ugghh) is proclaiming that she's bisexual, but at least half of them only do it to get attract the attention of men. Its just gross and sleazy and ultimately sad. It impedes the girls who are genuinely questioning their sexuality and just generally degrading to all women.
Anyway, just like yaoi fangirls think two men are better than one, guys tend to like their girls in duos (or trios or...) Karorin is an idiot for not noticing her double standard, as others have pointed out. This may stem from her hatred of vaginas, perhaps. Karorin, please do not hate the genetalia of yourself and your gender. Get thee to the nearest Vagina Monologues! And sometimes, two vaginas can find love together and it can be just as beautiful as the love between two penises. Please realize that neither genital is superior to the other so we can all live in harmony and get back to the topic at hand.

I was wondering why Tokyopop felt the need to create a separate label for its yaoi titles. I can understand the need if the titles will be adult in nature, but I don't think it makes sense just because the manga have homosexual relationships. Does Tokyopop have any other separate labels for other manga?
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discarnate_cyn



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:24 pm Reply with quote
astra wrote:

I was wondering why Tokyopop felt the need to create a separate label for its yaoi titles. I can understand the need if the titles will be adult in nature, but I don't think it makes sense just because the manga have homosexual relationships. Does Tokyopop have any other separate labels for other manga?


Well Tokyopop isn't the company that's translating/editing the manga. All Tokyopop is doing is the distributing. Kind of like how Disney distributes the Studio Ghilbi releases.

So I can kind of understand it. Tokyopop has the clout to get the goods out there.
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discarnate_cyn



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:28 pm Reply with quote
Karorin wrote:


Yaoi is great, lovely and gorgeous!!

yuri is the complete opposite and gross and there are alot out there who agree with me.

the two genres are completely different and aren't alike in any way!


This crap again? Didn't you learn anything from your stay on the DMP boards?
Yuri may not be your cup of tea, but that dosen't mean that it's disgusting and gross.

Yaoi isn't everyone's cup of tea either.

Sometimes you worry me Kaorin with your yaoi obsession. Yaoi should not the be-all and end-all in your life.
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studioplugnplay



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:15 pm Reply with quote
discarnate_cyn wrote:


This crap again? Didn't you learn anything from your stay on the DMP boards? Yuri may not be your cup of tea, but that dosen't mean that it's disgusting and gross.


She did this at the DMP forum? Where the heck was I? I would have banned her butt fast.

As for Tokyo Pop I do find it odd they are serving as a distributor only. It's almost as if they are distancing themselves from a market they know is solid, by trying to appease the moral majority. Well I give them two points for not going about grabbing the women's share of the market with lame-a** Harlequin romance manga. Oy...

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Karorin



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:42 pm Reply with quote
god you guys are sad *boo hoo, ban her ban her*

I hate yuri and nothing you say is gonna change that. Get over it already, I have an opinion, its gross and disguisting. Yaoi fans love Yaoi, and that's all I love, there is no reason in hell I should like yuri and I never will. You think I'm childish? Thats BS, wake up to youselves I don't have to like everything everyone else does and I am not the only person to hate yuri. And I left the DMP forums cos it was all about [expletive] yuri, why stay at a YAOI FORUM when all they talk about is that gross shit?? I won't stand for it. Get over it. I support Yaoi and I will diss what I want. Alotta people diss me for liking Yaoi yet like yuri, so they can have it right back. Its [expletive] BS, I will only ever support Yaoi and Shonen Ai because it's beautiful, and yuri isn't.

I have lesbian friends, so what? I was called a lesbian for watching bubblegum crisis, explain that to me?! Yet a bloke watching DBZ isn't gay?

Besides women are accepted everywhere as lesbians, when was the last time you saw a heading Lesbian gets bashed? No it's only the men, fudge that, I'll support whichever side I want, it's the boys having the hard life and I ain't supporting something that turns out to be hentai.
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DazzleNeko



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:38 am Reply with quote
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Alotta people diss me for liking Yaoi yet like yuri, so they can have it right back. Its [expletive] BS, I will only ever support Yaoi and Shonen Ai because it's beautiful, and yuri isn't.


Ok, but you are making those who like both yaoi and yuri angry. Also, you are acting exactly like those who who like yuri but bash yaoi, so technically you are no better.

Yuri can be just as beautiful as yaoi. I'm not talking about hentai either, I mean romantic stories between two women.

You have lesbian friends? I thought you said lesbians were gross.

I really hope you change your mind one day. I mean, you can dislike yuri, but you shouldn't consantly flame it. You are making those who like it angry, and probably hurting lesbians' feelings (like those on the DMP forums). You shouldn't bash them, bash the horny men who like to watch them. At least try to be more open-minded.

Do you seriously think it's gross for a woman to love another woman, but not for a man to love another man?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:32 am Reply with quote
I don't think anyone has a problem with you not liking Yuri, and no one's trying to change your mind about it. The problem is the way you go about expressing your dislike. It's one thing to say, "Oh, I don't like this genre". Comments like that rarely attract flames or an entire threadsworth of discussion. But when you say that something is "disgusting and gross" or "it's stupid and it sucks" you're insulting people who DO like those genres. There are ways to state your opinion without insulting those whose opinions differ from yours.
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astra



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:44 am Reply with quote
Well, if Karorin continues to post this way, then I'd write her off as a silly troll. It seems like she's posting in such a way that she will simply piss off everyone. She's being inflammatory to get a reaction.
In the remote possibility that she actually feels this way, then I think its very sad. Would you care to elaborate on why you feel yuri is so disgusting, Karorin? Right now you're not really providing justification. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if you want to convince others of it than you should explain yourself. And in my opinion, if you can't even begin to convince others of your ideas, then I think they are not very strong to begin with. Nobody -who's worth speaking to- has a problem with your yaoi passion. In fact, some of us even enjoy yaoi alot as well and frankly don't care that you do. What we do care about is your bashing another genre. That makes people very sad, just like it makes you sad when people bash yaoi.
Also, its getting kind of old to go around proclaiming that you are the fighter for homosexual justice. Yelling that you love yaoi on an internet forum will do nothing to change people's minds. Go out and do some good for the world, young grasshopper. And learn to love your gender, please.

This thread has become way off topic Laughing
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Karorin



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:10 am Reply with quote
is there any point of making my point any worse? no one listens. they just bash some more. you guys are trying to say I should like it and I seriously don't, never will. and i won't be 'embracing' my own gender either. i only support the boys and wont support the other, ever. the boys need it 100 times more then they do.
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discarnate_cyn



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:39 am Reply with quote
Karorin wrote:
And I left the DMP forums cos it was all about [expletive] yuri, why stay at a YAOI FORUM when all they talk about is that gross shit?? I won't stand for it. Get over it. I support Yaoi and I will diss what I want. Alotta people diss me for liking Yaoi yet like yuri, so they can have it right back. Its [expletive] BS, I will only ever support Yaoi and Shonen Ai because it's beautiful, and yuri isn't.


DMP is not a yaoi forum. Yes DMP releases a line of BL books. That makes many of us happy little fangirls - but they also release Trigun and Vampire Hunter D and a ton of other good shonen stories.

This is why so many people got ticked off at you bringing up BL in EVERY SINGLE FREAKING POST.
The entire world does not revolve around yaoi. I seriously worry about you if you think it does.

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Besides women are accepted everywhere as lesbians, when was the last time you saw a heading Lesbian gets bashed? No it's only the men, fudge that, I'll support whichever side I want, it's the boys having the hard life and I ain't supporting something that turns out to be hentai.


Tell that to the women who are getting dismissed from their jobs for being a lesbain. Tell that to the women who are getting harrassed just by walking down the street.

Besides - liking a genere dosen't mean you're for gay rights. This is a FANTASY. BL is a genere drawn by women for women, men have nothing to do with it.
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