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TrailOfDead
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that's a much bigger leap than you're making it out to be. idol managers are meth dealers for social failures. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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I honestly can't say for sure if the idol industry in Japan really doesn't take music as seriously as they do with an idol's image.
 However, I do know that the current state of the idol industry is indeed messed up and does need reforming. No idol should ever have to spend their lives worrying about a fringe group of perverted otaku emotionally tearing her apart just for the reason that she did one thing that they think would "ruin her image" (like dating, for instance).
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Paiprince
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Pot calling the kettle black. You might want to reread your post lest you sound even more foolish than who you're debunking. And I have a friend who works as one. He wouldn't take what you just posted sitting down. Just saying. |
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whiskeyii
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@Ushio
Regarding Perfect Blue, it has less to do with porn and more to do with the "idol purity" people keep talking about. The fictitious rape scene in Perfect Blue represents quite a bit, but the main points as applied to this topic are as follows: 1. The scene in question was suggested by the in-universe producers as a way to "ruin" Mima's pure image to drag in higher ratings. It relies on her supposed "purity" to work. 2. It emphasizes the control producers in general have over her image--first preserving her as a "pure" girl as an idol, and then as a "fallen woman" in the movie industry. As for PaiPrince: I feel it's too simplistic to simply equate Western pop stars with Japanese idols because of one big difference: the separation of the person from their product. Take Chris Brown, for instance. Plenty of people I know agree he's an asshole for hitting his ex-girlfriend Rihanna. But they also agree that his music is pretty catchy. There's a separation between the person (bad) and his music (good). In Japan, the person IS the product. Which wanders straight into very blatant objectification territory (this person is really just a thing that's here to make you happy) and just makes the whole thing a hell of a lot squickier. |
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Hoppy800
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About time to shatter the fantasy and bring the industry into reality, because it can exist without all of the bullcrap that permeates the industry, many idols are talented singers, voice actors/actresses and dancers or even more than that (there's quite a few that have talents outside of the entertainment industry and a few can be the all purpose man or the all purpose woman), the industry should focus on the talent or talents these ladies and gentlemen bring instead of their image, it would make the industry a better place to deal with. Also, they need to hire managers that care but not baby them instead of corporate tyrants who don't even care if they died or not.
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DaisakuKusama
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I see what you did there, Justin. 
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Paiprince
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Okay...but doesn't that sound hypocritical, Liking one facet of one thing as if it's completely unrelated to their character? I think it makes more sense if the performer in question turns out to be a horrible person, you stop supporting them. Because they can get away with it they glorify their debauchery. Doesn't fly in East Asia. Sure, it can go on the overboard, but at least expectations and promises are for the most part kept. It's a relationship among the idols and fans that Western outsiders are unwilling to understand. |
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Zoruilo
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21299324
Just a little story I think is relevant to this discussion on the true face of the industry. The video was apparently posted to their official page. Edit- I was going to add a link to the actual video, but they have way too many Youtube videos and it doesn't seem to be one of them Last edited by Zoruilo on Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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maximilianjenus
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just like actors ? do you think that actors are objectified ? |
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TrailOfDead
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fandom in general is a haven for emotional cripples, but no, actors are generally not bound by their management through morality clauses to accommodate the psychological maladies of said weirdos the way idols are. not anymore at least |
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Tenebrae
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I've always seen the whole idol business as a sick and twisted industry, for reasons already mentioned multiple times here so I don't think I need to repeat them.
I don't give a crap about Western idol industry either. I spend exactly zero hours a year following their shenanigans. My thoughts on it can be summed up by lyrics of that Leftfield song: "burn, Hollywood, burn!" Damn right I'm going to take the high moral ground here. |
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whiskeyii
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From a Western point of view, not really. Their personality has no affect on the quality of the music they produce. The grouchiness of Miyazaki doesn't mean the artistry of his movies suffered; the abrasiveness of Phil Fish didn't make Fez any less of a fantastic game. Sure, some people do link a person with their products (hence boycotts), but by and large, you can be a terrible person and still produce good work. Like that story of a painter whose paintings became worse as he became kinder, and then they became more beautiful as he got meaner--the results matter more than a person's moral standing because we are paying for a product, not the person behind that product. Which probably squicks people out a little too, the idea of "owning" or "sharing" a person. :/ @maximilianjesus No, I don't think actors are objectified. Actors can flip out on and off camera, throw temper tantrums, be high-maintence, join weird religions, etc. without that severely affecting their careers, largely because the audience is paying for their performance, not their actual person. Last edited by whiskeyii on Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:33 pm; edited 4 times in total |
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nobahn
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I completely concur; you took the words right out of my mouth. |
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animalia555
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jirg1901
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I think people are misunderstanding the problem here to a certain extent as well. Immediately after she posted it Masami Okui (a fellow singer she's worked with often and friend for the last decade or so with plenty to lose) tweeted the blog article and her support. Kouki Yoshimune, who has been closely involved with her career on nearly every level for the last 15+ years, cheerleaded heavily until recently and is/was still arguably her boss hasn't even acknowledged it. Particularly given she herself says she wasn't able to announce it due to differences of opinion rather than personal fear I think the damage here is going to be much more between individuals in the business over the decision to announce it than the reaction of the fans, who are predominately supportive and would have to be amazingly deluded to be surprised aside from the somewhat bizarre circumstances. Then again that decision could have been driven by a fractured relationship already, nobody's exactly jumping up to explain the situation, which allows some concerning speculation and rumours. It's not really an ideal example of "Japanese idol culture".
Not really. She went to music school and although she did graduate from a seiyuu academy she quit her office after six months to pursue singing. Voice acting ended up a side job to get a break, she hasn't taken on any new roles since 2006. |
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