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Dammit.... Half the reason I went to see Avatar was in hopes that Alita would be next on his plate. I half hope he'd pass it onto another director using the pre-production efforts they've done on it and he can stay on as producer.

As for Avatar. Eh. I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. The story and characters were cliche as hell, but I at least enjoyed the nature documentary aspect with all the alien life forms. Hell, if Cameron had the next two films be just about exploring the planet and left the lame plot at the door, I'd actually go see them.

TheZeonicFront wrote:

Can we all just get over this? It's not like any living anime fan even gives a damn about Battle Angel.

Bite your damn tounge and go back to watching Code Geass or whatever flavor of the week crap anime you kids watch today. Alita is one of the best cyberpunk comics around. And, like other long running manga series, it's still going on.

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Guillermo Del Torro was the one who even showed it to him. You have a better chance of him making it into a film and would probably be better.

I'd love to see Del Toro direct. The only trouble is that Del Toro has more lined up on his plate than even Cameron, An Alita movie by him would be nice, but I am not holding my breath. Hell, a Blame! movie by him is a dream project for mine, but I see that happening a quarter to never. If he at least makes Mountains of Madness, his most talked about project, I'll be quite happy.

Zac wrote:

Hey let's try not to turn this thread into yet another boring Condescending Nerd Dickwaving Slapfight.

You know, you remind me of Devin Faraci from CHUD.

On the one hand you sound like a nice guy on your podcast, but on the forums you're trolling and acts like a different person and most of your posts has an aggressive and offensive ton to them.

I'm not trying to insult you or anything.
I'm just telling what I see.

Maybe I'm wrong.
If so, then I apologize.

drdr48 wrote:

On the one hand you sound like a nice guy on your podcast, but on the forums you're trolling and acts like a different person and most of your posts has an aggressive and offensive ton to them.

I'm not trying to insult you or anything.
I'm just telling what I see.

Maybe I'm wrong.
If so, then I apologize.

Nope, you're right. But that's because here my role is to enforce the rules and tell people to stop being such dicks to eachother about trivial stuff. You lose patience after a while and wind up saying "knock it off you clowns" rather than "please could you all stop treating eachother like garbage".

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ZeetherKID77 wrote:

James Cameron, the next George Lucas.

I REALLY hope you're just trolling.

George Lucas is greater than James Cameron. Just as the Star Wars Saga, or Universe as a whole, will always be greater than anything Avatar, or anything James Cameron makes can ever hope to be.

I found Avatar boring. It really wasn't as entertaining as people claimed. Those who realized their lives were so dull and became "depressed" after seeing the world of Pandora are just pathetic. Just play World of Warcraft if you find this world so boring, it will help even for a little bit.

As for Battle Angel, meh...

LUNI_TUNZ wrote:

Hey, Avatar wasn't animated.

Sure, it was heavily animated, but it not animation.

Because James Cameron said so, so there.

What a jerk. He has no appreciation for animation ([generalizations and cultural attacks will not be tolerated]) and so in his interviews he tries to avoid the fact that his movie is (*obviously*) animated, just so more people will see it and he will get an Oscar nomination (because the Academy, which is full of conservative old people, thinks that animation is a "genre", and a genre for "children" Confused

).

KAtchan15 wrote:

George Lucas is greater than James Cameron.

Roflmao. Oh, man. Wow. Lol... My post office today frakked up with my Trigun order - my mood's been sour almost all day. Lol, thanks for giving me a good laugh. Very Happy

Zac wrote:

drdr48 wrote:

On the one hand you sound like a nice guy on your podcast, but on the forums you're trolling and acts like a different person and most of your posts has an aggressive and offensive ton to them.

I'm not trying to insult you or anything.
I'm just telling what I see.

Maybe I'm wrong.
If so, then I apologize.

Nope, you're right. But that's because here my role is to enforce the rules and tell people to stop being such dicks to eachother about trivial stuff. You lose patience after a while and wind up saying "knock it off you clowns" rather than "please could you all stop treating eachother like garbage".

Oh! okay then Razz

(So here's a more "serious answer" to your previous post)

Zac wrote:

Hey let's try not to turn this thread into yet another boring Condescending Nerd Dickwaving Slapfight.

Oh please, we're all Anime nerds here, and we all love ourselves some Dickwaving Slapfight from time to time Mad

*yawn*

After seeing Avatar I am actually really glad Cameron decided to side-step Battle Angel (GUNNM). It has become obviously clear that he has clearly outgrown his britches, and that no one in the industry has the balls to stand up to him and say, "hey this sucks (cheesy, doesn't make sense, cheaply pandering, or just plain awful)".

Now if this was the man 20 years ago, I would have loved for him to make a Battle Angel movie. Mind you technology is not the issue, it's the man. Of course if you like current movies to be the lowest common denominator, your opinion might be different, but it's all about money anyway, right?

TheZeonicFront wrote:

It's not like any living anime fan even gives a damn about Battle Angel.

You might be surprised. Long term anime fans, like myself, are highly anticipating for this movie to come out. I give a damn about it because I read the comics when I was younger and enjoyed it. I think that Cameron should leave Avatar alone and not make a trilogy like everyone else has been doing lately (with the exception of Lord of the Rings as it was based off the books and brilliantly done).

J-Syxx wrote:

And pretty much every anime ever made is several thousand times less original than the storyline of Avatar.

I beg to differ. There are plenty of anime shows that have original storylines. I found FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood to be original and fresh, story wise. I don't see how Avatar is original in any way. I read about it on Wiki and heard things about it as I had no interest in seeing it when it was in theaters. I might watch it some day but it sounds like I'll be bored to death.

Cameron, you disappoint me. I was looking forward to Battle Angel. Do us a favor and give the rights to someone else who is more passionate about it.

John Casey wrote:

KAtchan15 wrote:

George Lucas is greater than James Cameron.

Roflmao. Oh, man. Wow. Lol... My post office today frakked up with my Trigun order - my mood's been sour almost all day. Lol, thanks for giving me a good laugh. Very Happy

It’s true. You can say whatever you want, but Star Wars IV A New Hope ALONE, has more depth than Avatar and we both know it. And as for you claiming that Avatar is “the single most innovative, science fiction films of all time.” Good luck with that one. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree.

I honestly think that whatever plot they came up with for the Avatar porn, might be better than the actual plot of the original movie itself. You Cameron Avatar fanboys make me laugh.

Oh and the PS3 game sucked too.

KAtchan15 wrote:

ZeetherKID77 wrote:

James Cameron, the next George Lucas.

I REALLY hope you're just trolling.

George Lucas is greater than James Cameron. Just as the Star Wars Saga, or Universe as a whole, will always be greater than anything Avatar, or anything James Cameron makes can ever hope to be.

I found Avatar boring. It really wasn't as entertaining as people claimed.

If we're talking Lucas from the original trilogy... sure. Yet if you take into account the 'modern' Lucas of the past ten plus years? Cameron has him beat. The prequels were a damned cinematic mess. As crappy as Avatar was, it was still better than the prequels. And on a cinematic level, Avatar was shot better and even the CG elements were better done and not just for advances in tech. The shots were simply composed better. Hell, even as crappy and cliche as Avatar's plot was, it was more coherently paced and constructed than any of the prequel films. Hell, I don't think even think Avatar was a good movie, but it was streets ahead of the recent Star Wars films.

And if you found Avatar boring, heaven help you if you watch a real acclaimed film like, say, any of the numerous dramas in the Criterion Collection. Are kids really to ADHD today to watch Kurasawa stuff like Seven Samurai or Ikiru? Is a show like Mad Men a snooze fest because it doesn't have thousands of droids vomited up on screen?

drdr48 wrote:

LUNI_TUNZ wrote:

Hey, Avatar wasn't animated.
Sure, it was heavily animated, but it not animation.
Because James Cameron said so, so there.

What a jerk. He has no appreciation for animation (Like most Americans) and so in his interviews he tries to avoid the fact that his movie is (*obviously*) animated, just so more people will see it and he will get an Oscar nomination (because the Academy, which is full of conservative old people, thinks that animation is a "genre", and a genre for "children" Confused

).

I would agree with Cameron and argue that Avatar isn't animation. If anything it's more digital puppetry. Animation normally connotes cartooning of the characters, not realism. Of course Dreamworks would disagree, but Pixar maintains they animate their cartoons without motion cap. Meanwhile, what Cameron did was completely opposite from even Pixar's animation. Cameron is aiming for realism and photo realism. Cartooning, be it form Pixar or Ghibli or Madhouse or Gainax, isn't as focused on realism in the final image. Well, Scott McCloud described it better, but it's basically the difference between photography and drawing caricatures. Cameron, or say Jackson and WETA, is going for CGI integrated as photography, not CGI integrated as drawings. To me animation like Pixar and what Cameron or Jackson and others do with CGI effects in live action films are two different animals. You know, even if studios like Dreamworks blur the line by cheaping out and doing mo cap for their cartoon en devours.

Until the cameras start rolling (or humming, since there's no actual film involved anymore with Cameron's digitally-shot projects), I'll never believe that Battle Angel will ever get made, at least not by James Cameron, so this news just confirmed my ongoing suspicions.

Ares_EMS wrote:

And here I thought I was the only person on Earth who hasn't seen Avatar :)

Nope, I'm on the "haven't seen Avatar & don't want to either" bandwagon too. I'm sorry, I know it's a new franchise from the same guy who created directed two of my all-time favourite sci-fi movies (the first two Terminator films), but, for the life of me, I just found the look of the goofy blue catpeople wholly unappealing. That, and I have no interest in seeing films in 3D. (I don't see 3D well due to damaged vision in my left eye, which was already by far my weaker eye before my eye injury a couple of years ago, and the couple of times I saw IMAX 3D movies before that, I just got a headache.)

I've seen random short moments of Avatar on TV screens at Zellers, Future Shop, and Wal-Mart and don't feel like I missed anything I'd want to watch.

The Xenos wrote:

drdr48 wrote:

LUNI_TUNZ wrote:

Hey, Avatar wasn't animated.
Sure, it was heavily animated, but it not animation.
Because James Cameron said so, so there.

What a jerk. He has no appreciation for animation (Like most Americans) and so in his interviews he tries to avoid the fact that his movie is (*obviously*) animated, just so more people will see it and he will get an Oscar nomination (because the Academy, which is full of conservative old people, thinks that animation is a "genre", and a genre for "children" Confused

).

I would agree with Cameron and argue that Avatar isn't animation. If anything it's more digital puppetry. Animation normally connotes cartooning of the characters, not realism. Of course Dreamworks would disagree, but Pixar maintains they animate their cartoons without motion cap. Meanwhile, what Cameron did was completely opposite from even Pixar's animation. Cameron is aiming for realism and photo realism. Cartooning, be it form Pixar or Ghibli or Madhouse or Gainax, isn't as focused on realism in the final image. Well, Scott McCloud described it better, but it's basically the difference between photography and drawing caricatures. Cameron, or say Jackson and WETA, is going for CGI integrated as photography, not CGI integrated as drawings. To me animation like Pixar and what Cameron or Jackson and others do with CGI effects in live action films are two different animals. You know, even if studios like Dreamworks blur the line by cheaping out and doing mo cap for their cartoon en devours.

Do you even know what "ANIMATION" IS!?!?

Here's the definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation

J-Syxx wrote:

He's not arrogant, he's just demanding. That's not a fault, it's the sign of a perfectionist who deamands the best. Really how else could that man accomplish an amazing film like Aliens from such a small budget? This is like criticizing a world class chef for being hard on his sous chefs or something.

The man nearly drowned Harris and someone else, I think it was the main actress, while filming the Abyss and got his then wife Linda Hamilton on steroids while filming T2. He's not winning man of year awards from me.

No arguments about his talent though. James Cameron is, in my opinion, one of the best directors of modern times. He has an amazing ability to weave all the elements of filmmaking together into something astounding.

I just think he's a bit of a jerk. Talented but a jerk.

J-Syxx wrote:

As for the Lucas comment, wow what insanity. But really I wouldn't expect otaku to know about good movies that aren't Japanese or animated.

Not my comment so why bring it up while responding to my post? (Though I think no one can claim Lucas is in Cameron's league. Lucas is a far better business man than a filmmaker.)

Zac wrote:

Nope, you're right. But that's because here my role is to enforce the rules and tell people to stop being such dicks to eachother about trivial stuff. You lose patience after a while and wind up saying "knock it off you clowns" rather than "please could you all stop treating eachother like garbage".

Completely serious question: Why not just let someone else do it? Bring in some new mods to handle the thankless suck job.

You're a little high on the totem to not be delegating this sort of thing. (Not being saracastic, not trying to be insulting, I really think you're too important to be trying to separate the children on the playground.)

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