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darkhunter
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Yeah i'm sure Japan doesn't have any real porno in which legal age girl are dress up as kids?  Yeah it's all cartoon and anime in japan, not real people.
She makes porno, not loliporno (or did she?). There is a difference there. Last edited by darkhunter on Sun May 14, 2006 11:32 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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hikaru004
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It seems to me that the Japanese otaku is being looked at more as a source of income. Maid cafes in particular have been portrayed in the Western press as an oddity. "Prelude" DVDs are more common. Bonus stuff with the 1st press CDs to encourage sales. A million versions of the Negima theme. This does not equate to being seen as mainstream to me. |
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dormcat
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Ten years after the end of WWII (March 1955), a group of soccer moms asked banning pro-militant and pro-imperialism manga, criticizing them for praising soldiers' spirits and white-washing memories of war. Publishers were against the movement in the beginning, but they reached a deal of self-censorship in 1963. However, those more recent "'bad books' bashing" are mostly focused on violence and pornography in manga. Sakamoto herself is a right wing manga-ka, and her works are exactly the target of banishment 50 years ago. The link I provided was her rant about the incident on May 8, 2002, when two out of five North Koreans seeking political asylum at Japanese Consulate-General at Shenyang by dashing into the building. Chinese guards and policemen entered the consulate building and dragged them out immediately, without asking permissions first. Japanese MofA filed formal complaints. It was a tricky situation: it might take hours, if not days, for Chinese policemen to ask their superiors to issue a formal letter asking the consulate to extradite those suspects, and Japanese would criticize them for lacking efficiency (remember that Japanese despise North Koreans as well and didn't welcome those intruders at all). The Consulate has every right to conplain the guards not being able to stop intruders at the outermost perimeter, but I don't think it's okay to accuse those who were assigned for the safety of the Consulate for trespassing Japanese territory. It's like sueing policemen trespassing when they entered your house trying to arrest a suspect at large.
Agreed. The idea of "ungainly-looking man wins the heart of a belle" started way before the recent otaku boom. The milestone was 101-kai me no puropozu (101回目のプロポーズ, 101st Propose).
My hat's off to both of you. You pointed out the hypocrisy of her, which was my point as well.
That's why some politicians (like Taro Aso and Yukio Hatoyama; although I personally don't like Aso...) and even royal family members (Sayako-sama) didn't bother to hide their passion to manga and anime.
First question: what is otaku? What is your (not to you, Jon, but to everyone here) definition of otaku? Without a common ground, all further discussions would be meaningless. There was a thread about it but had received limited response.
IMO Koi Kaze (loli + incest) is a million times better than Night Shift Nurses. What? You said that Koi Kaze was not a porno to start with? How about the game of KimiNozo? There are two 100% loli (Mayu Tamano and nurse Hotaru Amakawa) and two 50% loli (Akane Suzumiya and Ayu Daikuuji), yet the story is still far better than Night Shift Nurses or any title featuring adult women being blackmailed, tortured, and raped. I don't think they (Koi Kaze and KimiNozo) would encourage people committing crime against children. Last edited by dormcat on Sun May 14, 2006 11:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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Porno is what gets you into loliporno. You get hooked on the "older age" character porn, and then at some point when there is a younger character involved and when that character goes away, you'll try, and I mean it, you'll try to find younger aged character porn. That's the whole gimmick to it. There's the pull and the temptation that makes you want to find it, and it starts from regular porn. |
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darkhunter
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That's like saying moe anime is a gateway to lolicon porn. They are still different even though one "can" leads to the other. Porn can lead someone to loliporn, but that doesn't mean if you watch porn, you will automatically be hook to loliporn. Unless she was making lolicon type porn, than whatever fetish you have is upon you. If she make one style of porn doesn't mean all these other "style" or "type" porn is her responsibility She might despise other style for whatever reason.
Did I say anything about the story and one is better than the other? I just said there is differences if she drew regular hentai vs loli hentai...(one trying to draw regular age girl sex and the other are drawing (or try to) draw underage girl having sex". The target they're aiming for are not the same target they are criticising. Last edited by darkhunter on Mon May 15, 2006 2:02 am; edited 1 time in total |
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v1cious
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about damn time. surprised it took so long
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Jermhatespants
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Please tell me you are joking. My sarcasm meter is broken. |
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Beatdigga
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Lady, I've never heard of you before, or read your manga, but you are instantly up there with Echiro Oda on the respect-o-meter.
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dormcat
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If you were talking about the author of One Piece, at least spell his name correctly in order to show your respect. |
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Beatdigga
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It's 2:30 am. Sorry... But she does raise several very valid points over a subculture of manga, which can be described as near-sickening. |
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joel_s95387
Posts: 1804 Location: California... The Village Hidden In The Porn |
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All I have to say is that I'll never look at many of you the same way I used to. And American Anime fans need to know the real definition of an Otaku, that being the definition from the country of origin. My friend had "Otaku" written on his backpack, until the Japanese exchange student told him that "Otaku" were the people who stayed at home all day, had no social life, and just watched hentai all day. It was gone by the next day. Sure it might not have been the accurate definition, but it gave us an idea of how Japanese people felt about the word "Otaku"... we also asked the 2 other exchange students and they pretty much gave us the same definition. |
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Kagemusha
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I've got to say I'm a bit divided on the subject. While I really can't say I understand the appeal of moe and don't support lolicon, making it illegal certainly isn't the answer. I think the important question here is does moe/lolicon (since she seems to think fans of both are pedofiles) inspire sexual violence against children, or does it help people with a sexual attraction to under-aged children "get off" without harming a child, whether through actual physical violence or supporting real child porn? Not an easy question, especially since the latter is essentially supporting something that I and many people here find offensive. Still, I don't think banning virtual child porn or lolicon is the answer. On the other hand, I'd be reluctant to live in a society that openly accepted lolicon, because no matter how you look at it there ARE going to be consiquences.
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WEKS
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I tought Moé was a much broader term, she makes it sound like it's just lolicon or something.
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cyrax777
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alot of moe characters are loli's or loliish. not always but alot are. hell look at the Moe-tan character designs. |
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InuyashaMilk1717
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