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NEWS: 4Kids Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy

The trailer for Sonic 4: Episode 2 has just been publicly released. It will be in 3D unlike Episode 1 and will likely be a downlodable title as well.

I hope to God, its not Jason Griffith voicing him.

I don't remember Barry Watson.
There was a time when you'd invoke the Funimation name and it'd start a flame war.

And a remake of the classic French film (translated) Elevator to the Gallows. Even a remake of Breakfast at Tiffany's, Mickey Rooney aside.

When you watch Street Fighter II The Animated Movie. I can honestly say the dub was so much better, and the Japanese version sucked. The soundtrack in particular sucked, no intensity, no adrenaline pumping music, it was DULL while the American version easily owned the Japanese. I'd even watch the censored version without the Chun Li shower scene over the uncut Japanese version. No one in the US complained when Vega (JP) was changed to Bison and Bison (JP) was changed to Balrog and Balrog (JP) was changed to Vega. In fact, it's the Japanese Street Fighter that was inferior in more ways as those names for for example didn't suit those characters but when switched around in the American version, it fit them perfectly.


Same goes for Dragon Ball Z, the Japanese version had the same problem with the score and OST's as SFII:TAM while the Toonami+FUNimation version made it so much more badass and intense. They even reduced the episode count and added their own music as well.

I don't know how the Japanese handle outside works but the original creators don't seem to be complaining, and that's partially why Japanese works are being translated into English in a more faithful manner, they were mad that their manga were being 'flipped',

Bottom line is, what goes on in Japan's edits of American works is not my concern because I'm not gonna watch GI Joe, Batman or Ninja Turtles in Japanese and it's up to them to decide weather they want things done faithfully or not, and American audiences decided they wanted faithful releases so the companies have to oblige.

But why American fans are praising Japanese edits is something I really cannot understand. They probably feel more mature by watching them because they thing the Japanese swear and make their stuff more adult. Personally, I don't think it's something anyone other than the Japanese should be concerned about.

Just to point this out, I'd find Japanese edits to be more confusing than 'creative' or 'uncreative.' They make all these hentai/eroge/dating sim games and adult visual novels but God of War 3's sex scene was changed to have Aphrodite's breasts covered up. It's a game for adults yet it was censored.

I like the way you express that. I can't say anything for the Street Fighter 2 film, but yeah the Chun-Li shower scene was probably not needed. It's just a fanservice that didn't fit in. But about DBZ, yeah I agree the music from Funimation was better. I got chance to watch DBZ without Falcouner music and some scene sounded too weak without the music. There were scene in DBZ with no music at all, like Vegeta killing Nappa and it's just doesn't feel right without the music.

At least DBZ Kai didn't need any music change when Funimation brought it over to US, although the music in DBZ Kai is now under question because of possible copyright infringement.

Also, Funimation version of Shin-Chan was indeed the way I would watch it. As Justin Cook said on ANNcast, the show in the Japanese version is inappropriate for kids in US, but too kiddish for adult audience. Hence, why the rewrite and changes.

We shall see. They're still going to have to go to court, it seems.

If it was Chapter 7, then yes, it would've been the end.

With guys like Dan Green and Veronica Taylor, they'll probably go on to do voices at Ocean. FUNimation, Cartoon Network or random American cartoons, which the latter would suck.

As for the rest of 4Kids, well as long as they don't butcher any more anime I wish them the best except for that bastard, Kahn. He went on record for saying 'anime and manga will never be big in the US' proven wrong.

If 4Kids goes down, let's all celebrate with a glass of champagne, non-alcoholic for me and let's hope some series get redubs in the future like Shaman King.

TopGunman wrote:

With guys like Dan Green and Veronica Taylor, they'll probably go on to do voices at Ocean. FUNimation, Cartoon Network or random American cartoons, which the latter would suck. As for the rest of 4Kids, well as long as they don't butcher any more anime I wish them the best except for that bastard, Kahn. He went on record for saying 'anime and manga will never be big in the US' proven wrong. If 4Kids goes down, let's all celebrate with a glass of champagne, non-alcoholic for me and let's hope some series get redubs in the future like Shaman King.

Actually doing American cartoons would not suck for them, because they would get paid more. Voice acting in anime dubs doesn't pay nearly as much as doing voices in video games, American cartoons or commercials. If 4Kids went under, all the NYC voice actors likely have to move to LA to continue to work as voice actors. They wouldn't work for Ocean, because Ocean is Vancouver and it Vancouver, why would they move to another country? In North America, LA would still the biggest market for voice actors.

The Overlord wrote:

TopGunman wrote: With guys like Dan Green and Veronica Taylor, they'll probably go on to do voices at Ocean. FUNimation, Cartoon Network or random American cartoons, which the latter would suck. As for the rest of 4Kids, well as long as they don't butcher any more anime I wish them the best except for that bastard, Kahn. He went on record for saying 'anime and manga will never be big in the US' proven wrong. If 4Kids goes down, let's all celebrate with a glass of champagne, non-alcoholic for me and let's hope some series get redubs in the future like Shaman King. Actually doing American cartoons would not suck for them, because they would get paid more. Voice acting in anime dubs doesn't pay nearly as much as doing voices in video games, American cartoons or commercials. If 4Kids went under, all the NYC voice actors likely have to move to LA to continue to work as voice actors. They wouldn't work for Ocean, because Ocean is Vancouver and it Vancouver, why would they move to another country? In North America, LA would still the biggest market for voice actors.

There would be two options for NYAV: Either move to San Fernando,CA or relocate to NJ and be like Costal Carolina rarely getting any ADR business.

Bottom line is, what goes on in Japan's edits of American works is not my concern because I'm not gonna watch GI Joe, Batman or Ninja Turtles in Japanese and it's up to them to decide weather they want things done faithfully or not,

enurtsol wrote:

I don't remember Barry Watson. There was a time when you'd invoke the Funimation name and it'd start a flame war.

I think Barry Watson was the reason why Funi used to do a lot of heavy editing. when Barry left, Funimation started to become the company we came to love.

enurtsol wrote:

And a remake of the classic French film (translated) Elevator to the Gallows. Even a remake of Breakfast at Tiffany's, Mickey Rooney aside.

I'm aware of the Elevators to the Gallows remake in Japan. But I used American film because to help me add to my argument about film remake.

Breakfast at Tiffany got a Asian remake. No way, I never even heard of this remake anywhere around the web. Is there any news article or any evidence you can used to back that up? That's the first time I heard of this.

I like the way you express that. I can't say anything for the Street Fighter 2 film, but yeah the Chun-Li shower scene was probably not needed.

Also, Funimation version of Shin-Chan was indeed the way I would watch it. As Justin Cook said on ANNcast, the show in the Japanese version is inappropriate for kids in US, but too kiddish for adult audience. Hence, why the rewrite and changes.

Well that, and probably they think Japan should punish US for editing anime by having Japan do the same thing, butcher American cartoon. At least Japan didn't pull a 4kids on South Park or Family Guy.

So let's say a Japanese company that licenses both Japanese animation --some of which you like a lot (let's say your favorite anime)-- as well as American animation shows but butchers the American animation shows. So the Japanese fans of those American shows want that Japanese company to go bankrupt. And the Japanese company does go bankrupt, and everyone rejoices, and no more of the Japanese animation of theirs that you like will ever be made. No problem with that scenario? After all, it's none of our concern as far as the Japanese are concerned.

mdo7 wrote:

I like the way you express that. I can't say anything for the Street Fighter 2 film, but yeah the Chun-Li shower scene was probably not needed.

Wait, what what? That's the reason we purchased the uncut VHS, just to show it around to people! Good times, good times.

enurtsol wrote:

So let's say a Japanese company that licenses both Japanese animation --some of which you like a lot (let's say your favorite anime)-- as well as American animation shows but butchers the American animation shows. So the Japanese fans of those American shows want that Japanese company to go bankrupt. And the Japanese company does go bankrupt, and everyone rejoices, and no more of the Japanese animation of theirs that you like will ever be made. No problem with that scenario? After all, it's none of our concern as far as the Japanese are concerned.

Thankfully, that's not the case. The Japanese aren't so uptight about edits to American cartoon shows as much as we are uptight about American edits on Japanese cartoon shows since they don't even like American cartoons that much anyway.

There's no situation right now that should make me feel concerned since because let's honest here, American television animation nowadays are mostly crap in comparison to old classic cartoons like Batman and have no artistic value whatsoever,

All I can say is:

"Curse you, Perry the Platypus!"

mdo7 wrote:

Also, Funimation version of Shin-Chan was indeed the way I would watch it. As Justin Cook said on ANNcast, the show in the Japanese version is inappropriate for kids in US, but too kiddish for adult audience. Hence, why the rewrite and changes.

Adult Swim/Williams Street helped in acquiring it too, so it had to be tailored to their taste.

enurtsol wrote:

mdo7 wrote: Also, Funimation version of Shin-Chan was indeed the way I would watch it. As Justin Cook said on ANNcast, the show in the Japanese version is inappropriate for kids in US, but too kiddish for adult audience. Hence, why the rewrite and changes. Adult Swim/Williams Street helped in acquiring it too, so it had to be tailored to their taste.

Mother*******. It's bad enough they ruined many of the great jokes in the Japanese version (which could've easily translated into "American" quite easily), but a frelling Cable Network had a hand in the editing process as well?

**** this ****.

Sunday Silence wrote:

enurtsol wrote: mdo7 wrote: Also, Funimation version of Shin-Chan was indeed the way I would watch it. As Justin Cook said on ANNcast, the show in the Japanese version is inappropriate for kids in US, but too kiddish for adult audience. Hence, why the rewrite and changes. Adult Swim/Williams Street helped in acquiring it too, so it had to be tailored to their taste. Mother*******. It's bad enough they ruined many of the great jokes in the Japanese version (which could've easily translated into "American" quite easily), but a frelling Cable Network had a hand in the editing process as well? **** this ****.

I didn't see anything wrong with the Shin-chan rewrite. They made it much funnier. They didn't ruin it.