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MexicanAnime
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I'm dumb and misread what the numbers were for, since I thought I had seen pre-orders around. That was my mistake. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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The pre-order numbers are out there, and it's doing quite well near the top of the list.
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BWLJ
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http://myanimelist.net/anime/25731/Cross_Ange:_Tenshi_to_Ryuu_no_Rondo/userrecs
Weird how almost all of the user recommendations for this anime are other creepy, disgusting, shows for completely unrelated reasons. Also Psycho-Pass. . . someone watch this awful show and thought it was similar to Psycho-Pass. . . |
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walw6pK4Alo
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So you mean Freezing, QBR, and maybe Muv-Luv? How are the rest of those recs creepy or disgusting beyond their writing?
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SailorTralfamadore
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To be fair, it's the MAL recommendations. They're usually really stupid and/or bizarre, and plus there's apparently some crowd there that likes making trollish ones (e.g. "if you love Attack on Titan you'll also love Boku no Pico!", I actually saw that once on the MAL front page). I've never seen one that was anything but either the most obvious and thus pointless connections, or completely out of left field. Either way, lots of 15-year-olds trying to be edgy, not a real gauge of anything beyond that. |
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Cyclone1993
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Your reviews for this series are seriously fantastic. I have not seen a review that accurately represents my ideas about a series as well as this one, in pretty much forever.
It's not a great show, but it is still something worth watching if you can stomach the nature of it. |
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Izanagi009
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Oh dear, where to start to this show.
I stated when the third episode came out that the major issue of tonally dissonant fanservice was gone and that remains true still but some of the other issues still remain. I get what Theron is saying in wanting a more slow character progression but usually there is something we still like about the character even when watching them grow into a more likeable person. Fate/ Zero's Emiya Kiritsugu had his own trauma and backstory and while his methods were cold and ruthless, we also saw a softer side to him when with Ilyasviel and Irisviel. He followed him despite his coldness because we saw his happiness clash with his more ruthless side and saw him grow thematically. With Ange, we really don't anything to root for, not even some quiet recollections. I praised the third episode for giving Ange a spine and a will to fight but it now looks like it was just replacing whiny and somewhat delusional with haughty and prideful. If they had done something like a few moments alone contemplating her situation and why she felt like she needed to be separate despite the circumstances, I might be less harsh because it shows two sides of a character instead of kind of one note. The supporting cast is worse: when Vivian, the annoying Q-vier of your show, is more likable than other members of your cast, you got a problem. I understand that you are angry that Ange indirectly caused the deaths of your captain and recruits, but you do realize that you are stuck in a situation where she has proved herself capable of fighting and evading your pranks so just grit your teeth and bear with it. Express your complaints to Ange and then leave it be or else you can't do your job. Hilda is trying to take over Zola which I find is bad since I hated Zola. Despite the claims from the team that she was a caring captain, all I saw was a sex obsessed leader abusing her position. If this was a real military, a dishonorable discharge would be the least of her issues. Also, really, sabotaging your strongest fighter when you have been shown to have difficulty with Brig and Galleon class Dragoons is just suicidal. Finally, and slightly more personal, is the references to Gundam Seed. The first was a little cameo of the Freedom Gundam's waist railgun, rifle and shield 
While I was initially angry since they seem to keep coming back to that show despite this being 2014, it was the second reference that made me go crazy 
pardon my vernacular but BULLSHIT First off, really, why did you make her naked and tie her hands like that. Sunrise has shown that during island scenes, they simply just make a fire and tie the hands behind the back. Great, more fanservice, if I wanted wank material, I would look for porn. Second, the preview stated that Ange will actually do something cute in the next episode. Great, so any lighting of her tone will come because of a crush and not because of team unity or a difficult mission. no, no, no, it will come from Kira Jesus Yamato. You know, when the source of a female character's development is partly due to a male character, it usually takes a long time together across multiple episodes before a complete shift. If this show has Ange shift her tone towards her team within that episode, I'm calling the "she just needed a man" trope and punching through my desk. god, I'm not even sure if I can keep watching this. Valvrave was entertaining in the depths of it's failings, this is just painful to sit through |
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Cyclone1993
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I definitely agree with some of your points for sure Izanagi009. A lot of the stuff in the series, including the scene at the end is entirely for fanservice purposes. However I can see her relationship with the male character be a good thing. If she becomes attracted to him, and then finds out that he's a Norma, then it could be a good opportunity for character development as she deals with the fact that she likes something she despises.
But as of now, I don't really know where this plot is heading. I do agree that Vivian is one of the best characters though. I'm finding her, and Salia to be quite likeable, which I believe we are supposed to, unlike Hilda, Chris, and Rosalie. Although I do find your analysis of Valvrave to be in conflict with my own, especially since its one of the best mecha anime I've ever seen. I wish Cross Ange was more like it personally. I'm sticking with this show until the end, because it is entertaining, and it keeps you on your toes for the most part. |
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Izanagi009
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For me the issue with Valvrave is what I call Valvrave syndrome in which they introduce twists or suddenly develop minor characters only to kill them off for drama. Valvrave felt like a show that was all climax and no resolution, it felt like it had to cram twists and deaths in despite the fact that most of these people I don't care about or even know. Coupled with the Big Lipped Aligator Moment of episode 10 and I can't recommend this show at all |
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HaruhiToy
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I'll second this. Theron how does it feel to be a full throated misogynist?
So what's hard to stomach? Everything I have seen so far is pretty tame and well within the usual spectrum of mainstream anime for adults. I have seen far "worse" (please note the scare quotes) events in many other anime that have not drawn the opprobrium that Cross Ange has. |
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bobob101
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Leaving fan service aside, it feels like the people writing this show are trying to depict a "strong female character." The writers have also probably never tried in their whole lives to make a "strong female character."
This show is in many ways the complete opposite of Kill la Kill. Kill la Kill celebrates strong women, and aside from Satsuki in the bird cage, you never feel bad for for the girls in their outfits. When Satsuki says she would strip naked for her ideals, or when Ryuku accepts her outfit, we are left with no doubt they are great people. With Ange, every time you see these girls in their outfits you are supposed to think "sexy." |
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Cyclone1993
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People who can't handle the sexualized nature of the show as it deals with some more uncomfortable moments like in episode 1, was what I was implying with that statement. If you can handle the humiliation aspects I suppose might be a better way to phrase it. Also reviewing the series and not outright hating it does not a misogynist make. |
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minamikaze
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Uh, at this point, there is little doubt that creating a positive role model to inspire and empower women is not the goal of the creators of this show. If someone is looking for the show to provide that, that person will be disappointed. Ange has been portrayed, none-too-subtlety, as a flawed character and a victim of a system that she once benefited from and still at this point in the story appears to believe in. Several other members of the troop are hardly portrayed as shrinking violets though.
I would say it has absolutely nothing in common with Kill la Kill, so there is nothing to be gained from a comparison of the two shows. As Theron has already mentioned, the shows that Ange is closest to are the two Freezing series. Odds are, if someone did not like Freezing or Freezing Vibration that person will very likely not like Ange.
I certainly did, those outfits were over-the-top embarrassingly hideous. Also the character designs in Kill la Kill were drawn primarily for comic effect, and I never considered them to be sexy. Anyway, I also want to thank Theron for writing these episode reviews for the people who did not decide that the show was not for them after the first episode. I think they have been very fair. I agree that it would have been a mistake to have Ange suddenly want to fit in with people that she has been raised her whole life to believe were far beneath her, even if it continues to make her not very sympathetic. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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To start with I do not think that cross ange is the worst show this season even let alone this year those honors go to wizard barristers and wolf girl and black prince. and I have not actually watched any of cross ange myself only read reviews.
I know that anime is designed in many ways to be very inclusive and I really do appreciate that a lot of times. However I think that some of the discussion that this show has produced is an example of that going to far. I am not going to sit here and say as a victim of rape it is highly offensive for a show to bring it up or use it in it's plot. However I really really think that regardless of the questions of camera placement or is this meant to titillate or not. The basic premise that she had this coming and deserves to be raped and it is fine because she is a terrible person who needs to be ripped apart and rebuilt and raping her will accomplish that, is highly offensive to me, and I really do not think someone should have to apologize for that. it offends me because in my opinion raping someone is a lot of times worse then just outright killing them. As for the whole kill la kill compression I think it is very fair and I don't like the first few episodes of it because of that. And there are plenty of series that use attempted rape as a joke. for me the major points to look at are. A) what is the point of having rape in your story, and B) is there any real danger of it happening, so if you have underpowered person A attack overpowered person B hit them over the head with a frying pan that comes out of no where ala loney toons then in my opinion you are trying to make fun of the situation which can have value. now note this is my opinion I really wish anime would avoid such a sensitive subject a lot more or at least deal with it in some manner of delicacy. I also agree a lot with what zac said on ann cast actually with the fact that if you make certain controversial ideas and themes key to your plot then you should have something to say about them, and the only thing that to me cross ange says about sexual assault is that sure it may hurt but you will be a better person for it and that is an idea I find repulsive and I really wish people would not try to make people think that it is wrong to feel that way as some people have alluded to in this topic. |
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ChocoBar1
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You mean someone watched an awful show and recommend an equally awful show? Perish the thought |
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