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INTEREST: Online Petition Demands Content Warnings for Sexual Violence in Weekly Shonen Jump

Are we really saying that "nobody takes no-consent groping as a real threat because it is fantasy" the very same month a mangaka has been arrested by (allegdly) groping junior high girls?

And take notice the petition is NOT asking for the removal of the material, but a label warning, like videogames, movies... what's wrong with that, I wonder?

The campaign organizer, a man named Manabu Sekiguchi, demanded that Weekly Shonen Jump should include content warnings or explanatory notes in panels containing sexual violence. He also demanded for Jump to survey its readers about their level of sexual education in order to create expressions of sexuality that can be properly grasped by the audience.

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At the very least we can all learn to admit things can cause harm so we can start to better understand exactly what that harm is.

We can all also learn some things are harmless no matter how prejudiced puritanical view one holds. Are you up to the challenge?

The level proposed is simply too intrusive, and the latter part would constrain freedom of the artists/authors.

Ah yes the very brave challenge of holding hands over my ears and loudly yelling PURITANS. Puritans, the people that were so incensed over the fact others dared to have interpretations of a fictional work and demanded it never be explored, because it hurt their world view too much that others might be more open to new ideas that could cause things to change.

lossthief wrote:

Nobody's saying media can make you believe things that are obviously impossible are suddenly possible. What they're saying is that the framing of an action can influence how people perceive similar actions in the real world. Teens reading Dragonball probably won't go out and flip skirts to emulate Master Roshi, but when somebody else does flip a skirt or grope a girl, it can offer a frame of reference where they see it as just a harmless prank instead of sexual harassment or assault. Or it can influence them to dismiss the girl being upset as her overreacting. THAT is where media routinely and consistently portraying nonconsensual sexual acts as funny or harmless or attractive becomes a problem, especially when standardized sex ed so rarely covers the topic of consent.

At the end of the day we're talking about kids here. There's a huge difference between a kid doing something and an adult doing something. People trying to compare this to the act-age mangaka are being very disingenuous. If a young boy slapped a girl on the butt while riding his bike past her like that mangaka did, they'd get detention or some other form of disciplinary action from their parents or school. At most, they'd be suspended for a bit. When an adult does that, that's a crime because they're older and know better. That's why they go to jail and put on a sex offender registry for doing the same thing. Kids are going to do stupid and immature things as a part of their growing and learning experience. Some people never learn or grow, but that's more of a failure in their personal life than anything that has to do with the media they consume and they'll quickly find themselves as a member of the prison system.

puritanical: adjective having or displaying a very strict or censorious moral attitude towards self-indulgence or sex.

Do not change the goalposts. The objective is non-consensual sex. Nobody is saying "oh, no, my kid saw a tit! What an outrage!".

Do you have any problem with addressing the problem of non-consensual sex acts passing as a laughing matter?

Do not change the goalposts. The objective is non-consensual sex. Nobody is saying "oh, no, my kid saw a tit! What an outrage!".

Do you have any problem with addressing the problem of non-consensual sex acts passing as a laughing matter?

Yeah, no, screw this. This is exactly the kind of "boys will be boys" garbage the writer of the petition was against.

You're framing boys sexually violating girls as youthful mischief. Do you know the kind of damage that does to the girls? How humiliating it feels, the anger and shame it creates? And what kind of message it sends to both parties when it's framed as "not a big deal"? It sucks! It's a horrible feeling, and not in a "youthful mischief" kind of way but in a "lasting psychological damage" kind of way.

I work with young kids, and turns out you can teach them about consent and respect each other's bodies from a very young age - like, starting in infancy. We teach children to pay attention to each other's body language, like if they're trying to give someone a hug and they start pulling away. We teach them to ask if they can draw on someone else's paper or knock over a tower they built. We don't act entitled to their bodies by forcing physical affection they may not want. The brain starts forming these connections very, very early and it's better and more effective to start reinforcing them from day one.

all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:

Yeah, no, screw this. This is exactly the kind of "boys will be boys" garbage the writer of the petition was against. You're framing boys sexually violating girls as youthful mischief. Do you know the kind of damage that does to the girls? How humiliating it feels, the anger and shame it creates? And what kind of message it sends to both parties when it's framed as "not a big deal"? It sucks! It's a horrible feeling, and not in a "youthful mischief" kind of way but in a "lasting psychological damage" kind of way. I work with young kids, and turns out you can teach them about consent and respect each other's bodies from a very young age - like, starting in infancy. We teach children to pay attention to each other's body language, like if they're trying to give someone a hug and they start pulling away. We teach them to ask if they can draw on someone else's paper or knock over a tower they built. We don't act entitled to their bodies by forcing physical affection they may not want. The brain starts forming these connections very, very early and it's better and more effective to start reinforcing them from day one.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're referring to working with little kids if you're talking about playing with toys and drawing. That's a far cry from talking about middle school and high school aged teenagers who are going to get all moody, rebellious, and full of raging hormones. If telling people not to do bad things worked, there would be no crime. Obviously it doesn't. "Boys will be boys" is not an excuse for people to act that way without consequence, it's a proclamation. Boys will be boys. They're going to get into fights, run through the girls locker rooms on a dare, experiment with drugs and other substances, try to have sex, and be overall unruly. I hope you don't think those kids you work with will stay sweet little angels forever who never talk back to their parents or will act out come the time they enter junior high and high school. If I'm wrong, feel free to DM me in 10 years and let me know. The idea that teenagers only act lout like that because of manga or any other type of media in simply not true.

all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:

Yeah, no, screw this. This is exactly the kind of "boys will be boys" garbage the writer of the petition was against. You're framing boys sexually violating girls as youthful mischief. Do you know the kind of damage that does to the girls? How humiliating it feels, the anger and shame it creates? And what kind of message it sends to both parties when it's framed as "not a big deal"? It sucks! It's a horrible feeling, and not in a "youthful mischief" kind of way but in a "lasting psychological damage" kind of way. I work with young kids, and turns out you can teach them about consent and respect each other's bodies from a very young age - like, starting in infancy. We teach children to pay attention to each other's body language, like if they're trying to give someone a hug and they start pulling away. We teach them to ask if they can draw on someone else's paper or knock over a tower they built. We don't act entitled to their bodies by forcing physical affection they may not want. The brain starts forming these connections very, very early and it's better and more effective to start reinforcing them from day one.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're referring to working with little kids if you're talking about playing with toys and drawing. That's a far cry from talking about middle school and high school aged teenagers who are going to get all moody, rebellious, and full of raging hormones. If telling people not to do bad things worked, there would be no crime. Obviously it doesn't. "Boys will be boys" is not an excuse for people to act that way without consequence, it's a proclamation. Boys will be boys. They're going to get into fights, run through the girls locker rooms on a dare, experiment with drugs and other substances, try to have sex, and be overall unruly. I hope you don't think those kids you work with will stay sweet little angels forever who never talk back to their parents or will act out come the time they enter junior high and high school. If I'm wrong, feel free to DM me in 10 years and let me know. The idea that teenagers only act lout like that because of manga or any other type of media in simply not true.

all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:

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Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're referring to working with little kids if you're talking about playing with toys and drawing. That's a far cry from talking about middle school and high school aged teenagers who are going to get all moody, rebellious, and full of raging hormones. If telling people not to do bad things worked, there would be no crime. Obviously it doesn't. "Boys will be boys" is not an excuse for people to act that way without consequence, it's a proclamation. Boys will be boys. They're going to get into fights, run through the girls locker rooms on a dare, experiment with drugs and other substances, try to have sex, and be overall unruly. I hope you don't think those kids you work with will stay sweet little angels forever who never talk back to their parents or will act out come the time they enter junior high and high school. If I'm wrong, feel free to DM me in 10 years and let me know. The idea that teenagers only act lout like that because of manga or any other type of media in simply not true.

"Boys will be boys" is not an excuse for people to act that way without consequence, it's a proclamation. Boys will be boys. They're going to get into fights, run through the girls locker rooms on a dare, experiment with drugs and other substances, try to have sex, and be overall unruly.

Lastly, your post seems to imply that only boys will act out... which is just flat out ridiculous. Acting out generally isn't a good thing, but boys hardly have a monopoly on such behavior.