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Didarina
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According to KSPR33 Springfield:
Is an otaku witchunt underway right underneath all our noses in Missouri? Can ANN dig up any information on these two related cases? |
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hikaru004
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Prob not considering the brothers got more time for the real deal. http://articles.kspr.com/keyword/child-pornography http://articles.kspr.com/2011-08-23/exploitation_29920742 At least now we have more background for what's happening. Last edited by hikaru004 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:20 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Deadwing
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CitizenKaneClapping.gif Bravo, good sir. Couldn't have said it myself. It appalls me that in this day and age we still have obscenity laws on the books. Given that they're based on things as broad, nebulous, and subjective as "average person," "community standards," "patently offensive," and whether the work in question "lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value," it shouldn't be a law in the first damn place. They're clearly unconstitutional. Drawings of naked minors (if the drawing can even be determined as a minor; some characters in Negima look like grown women, but are only 14) are no more CP than the Saw movies are snuff films. Nobody's rights are being infringed by the production of such material, and thus should be protected speech. That this guy is getting sent up the river for 3 years just because he had some drawings of fictional characters is the only thing patently offensive here, and this judge basically wiped his arse with the Constitution. |
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Cyberphobe
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My point exactly. Fiction is just that, fiction. It isn't real and unless the government can prove they can see into the future arresting someone under the pretense that "they might do this for real in the future," is not a valid argument. |
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nottimkai
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There is a phrase that I heard from the "12 Kingdoms" novels and which I'm sure is actually from some historical source in china - Losing the mandate of heaven.
A mentally sound person of reasonable educational level not tainted by an extremist religious or political viewpoint or motivated by personal gain will know the difference between reality and fantasy. A man raping his 10 year old daughter and posting the phone pictures he took? Reality. Illegal and reprehensible. Drawings of a man raping his 10 year old daughter and posting the photos on the internet, based entirely on the imagination of the author of those drawings?? Fantasy. Certainly reprehensible. SHOULD IT BE ILLEGAL? When no child has been or indeed CAN be harmed; when the only thing used is the artist's imagination; when the consumer has no actual child pornography (meaning photographs or videos of actual children being abused , not depictions {if you only consume real child porn, a child was still harmed to make it}) - there is NO CHILD BEING HARMED. Of course, The courts have a different view. They say that this material inculcates individuals to rape, pillage, torture and dodge their taxes. I disagree completely. Studies have been done (yes, I can back this up. It will take some time to dig the info up, but I can produce) showing a correlation between the number of sexual crimes and the availability of pornography. The courts would argue that the more pornography that is available, the more sexual crimes would be committed (inculcation towards viewing women as objects, etc etc), but the studies I am referring to showed the opposite. Until recently, Japan seemed to take the stance of 'people have urges, and not all of those urges are positive to society. If those urges are channeled, they aren't directed toward society'. For instance, If the man mentioned in the article has urges or desires toward 'underage female relations', it is better to have an outlet for those urges that is not his underage female relations. Maybe something based in fantasy, like drawings that he can happily masturbate to and then get on with his life. It is also possible that he just finds the IDEA hot, and there is no relationship between the material and the man's predilections. A drawing is based on the artist's imagination, and what a person desires is no one's business but their own provided it does not harm another. To legitimize the prosecution of thoughts and fantasies when no action that has harmed another person has been committed is a troubling, terrifying trend. What do you call 'jailing a person for their unpopular thoughts or views'? I call it Orwellian (Thoughtcrime). Phildickian might be appropriate, as well (Precrime). When it happens in North Korea or Iran or Syria, we call it a crime against humanity. I'm going to end with a little thought exercise: The government is suggesting a 3 year prison sentence to a man whose only crime we have been told about was possession of comics that have been deemed obscene (we won't get into the Miller test in detail. Basically, the only binding test that is used to determine obscenity is not consistent, as it uses vague and subjective determinations, not concrete objective ones) with a subject matter that is unpopular. If he goes to Jail for 3 years, it is entirely possible that he won't survive, depending on where he gets placed. 'Sex offenders' are not popular in prison, and depending on the level of hostility he receives at the hands of the prison staff, he may not be able to 'keep his head down' as it were. How is that just? How is that promoting societal welfare? Going back to the statement I made at the beginning: I fear that our government, our police force, the people who rule us and the people who judge us have lost the mandate of heaven. Having so lost this mandate, and assuming no attempt to regain it, it is only a matter of time before our country falls to ruin and deprivation. Some would say I'm late to the party. |
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underlock
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Without women like this we wouldn't have had great philosophers.
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nobahn
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Well said. |
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Sunday Silence
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Since people began to associate bad acts with things. --------------- Rock and Roll promotes moral degradation. KISS is a thinly veiled Satanic Cult. Rap Music promotes gang violence (well, more recent stuff past the 80's/early 90's). Japanese are (insert tired bad trope here). etc. |
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geneo
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what the difference in the anime say funimation or adv have it all got
girl and boys or children doing sexual acts, girl naked in bed with boys little boy feeling breasts and they call it tv-ma which is mature audience . just about all anime have young girl and boy the main charaters is under-age and not of mature age so whos guilty, not just porn but funimation and sental is guilty of porn. girl feeling girl. boys dress like girl, little girls showing bottom , dvd with school teacher lusting after girls i could name dvds these vendor are promoting sex and getting away with it we should protect the image of our kids at all cost if the law are truth is funimation and sental crossins the line. |
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DarkFusion
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0 |
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R315r4z0r
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Unconstitutional law is unconstitutional.
Horrible wife is horrible. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Maybe she panicked and thought he was doing something to their children or wanted to play out sick fantasy. "the news does not have disclose that tidbit so keep that in mind". If it was a scenario such as that it's more plausible to understand why but keep in mind they never fully release all the details to the public. On a different note... the dude had a wife couldn't he get her to role-play or something so this couldn't have happened? |
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geneo
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and their is a but the devil the real devil can put lust for little girl and boys look at a lot of it the devil can make your lust grow child sex offender start buy looking their a saying , when lust had conceived, it bring forth sin and sin when it is finished,bring forth death. it start small and gets bigger it get in the heart so this can lead to rape and a lot of sick desire lust is powerful and anime is oneway it can get you |
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Polycell
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Anymouse
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I don't know the full facts of the situation of course, but I understand that people think that this is inappropriate. I would have no problem criminalizing all pornography.
But the big issue, is avoiding this tendency to glorify one's own actions at the expense of traditional morality. And if you condemn this man but say it is okay to have (OR BE) a live in boyfriend, you are a degenerate hypocrite. Also, no one should ever dare compare this to actually sexually abusing a child. |
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