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katscradle
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:26 am
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What a story.
Greed1914 wrote: | I have observed some rather odd behavior at cons (not to the level of picking your nose in front of people) but enough to make me wonder if being at a convention makes some people lose track of basic etiquette and social cues, or if they never learned them in the first place. |
Yeah, truly the only explanation I have found to explain it. Especially the last part. Sometimes it doesn't even require a convention to think you found the Twilight Zone. I've had encounters so uncomfortable that they had me quickly looking for a way out, and alcohol. I don't want to process some of it sober. I've got friends that span the geek culture fandoms, so I've seen and heard a lot. I won't even consider going to some cons anymore. Though I usually don't go because of schedule issues anyway.
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Seems like a lot of stories are about younger anime fans as the attendee age dropped. In my experience age can have nothing to do with it sometimes. But, maybe I just expect teenagers to be silly and have more energy. So when there is behavior displayed like that it doesn't raise flags as much. That age group has only tested my composure once. Years ago there was this pair of girls who were really, really into Loveless. They were a blushing, glomping, squealing entity that were obsessed with the kissing/stalking in the series. Nor could I seem to shed their presence even though I barely spoke to them in the first place. I have never so regretted liking Yun Kouga's work as much as when I met them. But, I figure they did grow out of that sort of enthusiasm. Hopefully.
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JaggedAuthor
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:01 pm
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I remember walking into my first ACEN - which I believe was also THE first ACEN - in 1998 and immediately catching the eye of someone who bore a fairly strong resemblance to the guy from Justin's story. He took one look at my T-shirt and sarcastically exclaimed, "Oh, 'Tenchi Muyo!' THAT'S cool." He then sneered, chuckled to himself and waddled off, presumably to work his snarky magic on other socially-withdrawn 14-year-olds.
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504NOSON2
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:41 pm
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HeeroTX wrote: | Cons are definitely "younger" if you're out of college/college-age. (let's call that 23+)
Using the Sakura-con numbers as example, they further split out and:
14-17: 20%
To put that in perspective, let's ignore the 50% that's "college-age" for a moment, there are nearly as many people in the NARROW 4 year window of 14-17 as there are in the entire set of people over 26. Or, put another way, there are DEFINITELY more teenagers than there are people over 26.
And, if we assume an "even distribution" in the 18-26 demographic (I will bet money right NOW that it is more heavily skewed to the younger end), then it would split ~17% into the 18-20 range. Which would mean that you have around 44% of people under 21. Which again, means you have almost TWICE as many people UNDER 21 as you have people over 26. |
Fair enough. Take away message: adults outnumber teens, but if you're post-college age, you're outnumbered by kids, teens, and maybe even young adults. Luckily, me being 27, I'm smack dab in the middle of millennials. So, at least based on age, I don't stand out. Poor Blood- and mgosdin get confused as somebody's grandpa on chaperone duty.
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SaitoHajime101
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:04 pm
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SaitoHajime101 wrote: | I've never experienced odd behavior as what's depicted in the article, however I've seen some weird clothing choices in cosplay. For example, just this last weekend at Sakura-con, I saw a girl (looked to be definitely younger than 20 years) wearing a shirt and underwear, no pants. Seriously. No. Pants. |
Which she may have been doing anyway, how closely did you inspect to see if it was actual underwear? |
I actually had to do a double-take on that girl to be sure. I felt a little awkward staring at the girl as she looked young and I didn't want to seem like a creeper, but I wanted to be sure what I saw.
I definitely will say that most areas of the con I was at were definitely of the younger crowd, so there's some narrowed perception there. My wife and I were too exhausted to go to some of the late mature-rated panels which would be more of my age group (closest one was the Sekai Project Industry panel and Sword Art Online 2 premiere being the furthest from lol)
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Doodleboy
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:10 pm
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Feels like I'm reading chapters of a memoir... It'd be an interesting book if this goes on for years.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:41 pm
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Article said:
Quote: | This attracted a lot of chuckles and attention, and actually did inspire sales, and yet seemed to offend no one. The one time I worried I'd gone too far was at Animazement in Durham, NC, where a middle aged man who looked like a deacon at his local church walked slowly over to the hentai, peered down at it, carefully flipping through the discs. But then he looked up at me and said in a thick Southern accent, "people ask me what kind of pornography I like. I like the anthropomorphic pornography." And with that, he walked away. |
I will not look at deacons/pastors/priests/ministers/reverends the same way.
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Mikeski
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:51 pm
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Kadmos1 wrote: | Article said:
Quote: | a middle aged man who looked like a deacon at his local church walked slowly over to the hentai, peered down at it, carefully flipping through the discs. But then he looked up at me and said in a thick Southern accent, "people ask me what kind of pornography I like. I like the anthropomorphic pornography." And with that, he walked away. |
I will not look at deacons/pastors/priests/ministers/reverends the same way. |
Heh, seems like we found the guy the anime version of Christianity was based on. Did he look like he was hunting vampires or getting ready to exorcise something, too?
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Snomaster1
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:05 pm
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I've been to a few anime conventions in my life and they can be very weird. I don't know if I would want my mother to come with me to any conventions. If she were at one of those conventions,I'd imagine that she'd say like she'd say about the people on the old game show "Let's Make A Deal,""Those people dress like pizzas." But,there aren't any local conventions that are close to where I live but hey,that's just me.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:00 am
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All in all, reading this column makes it sound like Justin's life is a sitcom. He gets into so many bizarre situations most people wouldn't even come close to experiencing and always seems to get out of them no worse for wear.
Quote: | The one time I worried I'd gone too far was at Animazement in Durham, NC, where a middle aged man who looked like a deacon at his local church walked slowly over to the hentai, peered down at it, carefully flipping through the discs. But then he looked up at me and said in a thick Southern accent, "people ask me what kind of pornography I like. I like the anthropomorphic pornography." |
I had to laugh at that statement. Is that what older people called furry porn back in the day? He won't find it at an anime convention though. Heck, Japanese Star Fox fans are only now warming up to Krystal.
But really, do people actually go up to others and ask what kind of pornography they like? What if you like more than one kind of pornography?
Quote: | Something had gotten screwed up, and not only was none of our product here, but none would be coming, either. Overjoyed with the prospect of having a weekend to themselves again, he and the rest of the sales guys quickly got the hell out of there. |
That sounds kind of unprofessional of them to do. I figured their job is to get the shipments in and help bring it over to where they'd be sold.
Videogamep wrote: | The only convention I've spent any time at was Anime Expo last year and I didn't see anything that weird. Maybe it happens more at smaller conventions. |
Anime Expo is very heavily regulated. It has a staff of literally about 1,500 people, and anybody they see acting out of line, or reports inappropriate behavior, is removed. (Not all of the staff are patrolling the place, but there are enough of them, and enough volunteers, that you're always within someone's line of sight.)
In other words, at Anime Expo, Big Brother-senpai is noticing you every second.
In 2013 though, some clown was going around the exhibition hall with a hidden camera on his chest (so that he could get breast shots of every girl who passed in front of him) and wasn't discovered until he put his footage up on YouTube publicly.
Anime Expo has had its fair share of weirdos though, but the local businesses complained, which is why Anime Expo now has this strict monitoring going on. I can say that yaoi paddles are banned there though; any yaoi paddles found are confiscated ASAP. Yaoi paddles were quite the source of trouble, apparently.
Hagaren_Otaku726 wrote: | I cosplay at cons, but I realize there's boundaries; it's neat to be "in character" and such, but when you make other people feel uncomfortable on purpose with your actions/words, that's just bad and embarrassing. |
Yeah, that's social awkwardness rearing its ugly head. I don't know which character that person was, so I wouldn't know if he was being in-character or not. This does happen with people who aren't even cosplaying; they either just lose their minds being at a convention, or that's how they naturally behave and don't realize they're being creepy.
Hiroki not Takuya wrote: | And as for not wanting to BE anime, I'd have to confess to wanting to be a cute Japanese high school girl or maybe Madoka, but if I cosplayed as that you'd have another entry to Justin's horror at conventions story... |
Oh, I thought you meant you literally wanted to be one, like you'd wake up one day and you find yourself a female Japanese teenager or something.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:43 am
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Anthro porn. Is that like the furry fandom?
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katscradle
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:08 am
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | I can say that yaoi paddles are banned there though; any yaoi paddles found are confiscated ASAP. Yaoi paddles were quite the source of trouble, apparently. |
Thank heavens!
Kadmos1 wrote: | Anthro porn. Is that like the furry fandom? |
Well, yes and no. Stuff with characters that have both human and animal aspects are usually called furry. Erotic examples in comics off the top of my head would be Pink Sniper, Man's Best Friend, Omaha the Cat Dancer. But, talking about the sexual interests of furries is another thing entirely as they are a diverse group. And there is a lot of harmful and incorrect perceptions. So linking the two isn't the best idea. Likely to upset.
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Asrialys
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:53 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | I can say that yaoi paddles are banned there though; any yaoi paddles found are confiscated ASAP. Yaoi paddles were quite the source of trouble, apparently. |
Some people think that they can throw common sense and courtesy out the window when attending conventions. Then they start thwacking/glomping/touching/hugging people.
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Parsifal24
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:38 am
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Wow that was a painful read made me thankful I've never gone to a convention, and extremely thankful for my non Otaku friends. If I want that cringe inducing experience of some sectors of Anime fandom I can save my money and time and go to 4chan.
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JaggedAuthor
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:10 am
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Yeah, you'll meet a surprising number of people at cons (and not just anime cons) who are incapable of carrying on any semblance of a normal conversation.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:50 pm
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We say what's allowed in anime as the baseline what's allowed to do in cons!
Nah, it's good to have life outside of anime or a hobby. Gives different perspectives.
leafy sea dragon wrote: |
In 2013 though, some clown was going around the exhibition hall with a hidden camera on his chest (so that he could get breast shots of every girl who passed in front of him) and wasn't discovered until he put his footage up on YouTube publicly. |
Huh? We've walked around with Go Pro around our chest. (Can't really see anything.)
katscradle wrote: |
leafy sea dragon wrote: |
I can say that yaoi paddles are banned there though; any yaoi paddles found are confiscated ASAP. Yaoi paddles were quite the source of trouble, apparently. |
Thank heavens! |
Says those who've never been spanked!
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