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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:29 pm Reply with quote
Ajin is a piece of entertainment. When watching pieces of entertainment, I like to have some positive characters to root for. I'm not exactly in a minority when it comes to that viewpoint.

However, setting that personal bias aside, I feel the show has been unrealistic in its portrayal of human attitudes to Ajin. If something like Ajin existed in real life, yes, there would be the fear and negativity we see in the show, especially in government quarters. However, there would be far more sympathy than we see here, too. There would be humans who would be fascinated by Ajin, some who would worship them, some who would be appalled by the idea of killing them over and over again to test weapons. We see none of that. Just a monolithic hatred of and indifference to the suffering of Ajin experiment on. I don't buy it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:13 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Ajin is a piece of entertainment. When watching pieces of entertainment, I like to have some positive characters to root for. I'm not exactly in a minority when it comes to that viewpoint.

However, setting that personal bias aside, I feel the show has been unrealistic in its portrayal of human attitudes to Ajin. If something like Ajin existed in real life, yes, there would be the fear and negativity we see in the show, especially in government quarters. However, there would be far more sympathy than we see here, too. There would be humans who would be fascinated by Ajin, some who would worship them, some who would be appalled by the idea of killing them over and over again to test weapons. We see none of that. Just a monolithic hatred of and indifference to the suffering of Ajin experiment on. I don't buy it.


You really need to rewatch the first season, since many of your gripes were addressed there.

There are stills of Japanese attending pro-Ajin rallies and paying for it when they are reported to the authorities. Ajin in India are worshipped as gods, while Nagai watches many news reports commenting on Satou's revelations regarding Ajin testing (not to mention many of the reactions of Nagai's classmates when they see purported videos of Ajin testing).

Since this is the second season, attitudes towards Ajin have hardened dramatically after they video-recorded the building collapse live to the entire nation and slaughtered the special forces afterwards. Nothing surprising when the Ajin have declared war on human Japan and are willing to do anything to get what they want, government denials notwithstanding.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:17 pm Reply with quote
You may be right. I certainly had forgotten those things you mentioned. Still, I personally would prefer it if there was even one character in the mix (other than the absent Kai) who would have a more sympathetic viewpoint to the Ajin.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:43 pm Reply with quote
Since the animated adaptation has branched off from what is an ongoing manga, you might get your wish if you decide to read what is still on offer.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:01 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Still, I personally would prefer it if there was even one character in the mix (other than the absent Kai) who would have a more sympathetic viewpoint to the Ajin.

Well, take heart in the fact that somebody on the inside leaked those videos, even if no one believed they were real. At least somebody didn't like what was going on and tried to get the word out, at no small risk to themselves.

The professor seems to like Ajin, even if he also regards them as fascinating research subjects.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:23 pm Reply with quote
Harleyquin wrote:
Since the animated adaptation has branched off from what is an ongoing manga, you might get your wish if you decide to read what is still on offer.


I'm way more of an anime guy than a manga reader, but this might be one title I do decide to check out.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:54 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Blood- wrote:
Still, I personally would prefer it if there was even one character in the mix (other than the absent Kai) who would have a more sympathetic viewpoint to the Ajin.

Well, take heart in the fact that somebody on the inside leaked those videos, even if no one believed they were real. At least somebody didn't like what was going on and tried to get the word out, at no small risk to themselves.

The professor seems to like Ajin, even if he also regards them as fascinating research subjects.


Don't forget the unnamed research scientist who offered to help Nagai escape from the detention facility by driving him out. He even pledged that the scientists hadn't messed with his head and memories and that he was the same person with the same personality prior to getting caught.

Unlike his more prejudiced colleague, he said he was just doing his job. Nagai apparently believed him enough to drop him off the roof feet-first to maximise his chances of survival (at the cost of a horrible injury and potential paralysis).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:42 pm Reply with quote
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As expected, Nagai's plan failed but he came closest to stopping Satou. Unfortunately his lack of combat experience and imperfect information on the target let to his undoing. Still, the series hasn't ended yet as this covers the second movie with the third season to come finishing off what the third movie summarises so this story still has a way to go.

Nagai correctly identified Satou for the game junkie he is, but his outburst in front of Tanaka has come too late for them to start a rebellion. If the trailer for next week is any indication, it looks like Nagai has had a breakdown and won't contribute to the cause for the time being. It looks like the paramilitary captain was right, forming bonds to keep a strong mental state really was essential. No matter how emotional Nagai became this week, what he really needed was to stop panicking when his best-laid plans were torn asunder.

I'm surprised they're allowing the following episode to go ahead since nuclear energy is still a sensitive issue in Japan; but there haven't been any more disasters at Fukushima so why not? Satou will probably get his wish since no one has any idea why he wanted the last industry CEO for himself.

Having weighed the options, Tosaki has decided to go all in with Nagai and the others. No way of telling if his gamble is a bust, but he has long odds of pulling off an upset with a weakened squad and his key Ajin asset in a shambles. Satou's final action is to run the country so somehow they have to stop and neutralise him and his comrades to have any chance of returning the country to status pro bellum.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:23 pm Reply with quote


Never seen this before. Learn something new every day. Smile So Satou now has chemical weapons at his disposal (I'm going to assume sarin, just because). This is going to get ugly...

I dunno, being able to have an active mummy while you're unconscious almost seems like cheating. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:53 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:


Never seen this before. Learn something new every day. Smile So Satou now has chemical weapons at his disposal (I'm going to assume sarin, just because). This is going to get ugly...

I dunno, being able to have an active mummy while you're unconscious almost seems like cheating. Smile


Google image search threw up a whole host of sites in Spanish for biological weapons, not chemical. The symbol is more common in Spanish-speaking areas of the world hence English-speakers will find it exotic and unfamiliar.

For all I know, that's the symbol Japan uses as well to represent biological hazards. A lack of qualified hazchem specialists from Japan on this forum to verify my assertion to the best of my knowledge.

Why do you think Satou made that off-hand comment about cheating in games just before he went under?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:31 am Reply with quote
Another great eppie. This show really has great action direction. Fight scenes always look great. Looks like Kei's sister may finally be taken out of deep freeze next eppie, but whether that is just a brief cameo like a few episodes ago remains to be seen. I wonder if she'll be able to snap Kei out his funk?

I meant to bring this up last episode, but would the Ajin drones have worked? The drones themselves could be running on battery power, but the remote control is wireless - wouldn't that have been nullified by the EMP attack? I'm not technically inclined so I actually don't know the answer.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:41 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Another great eppie. This show really has great action direction. Fight scenes always look great. Looks like Kei's sister may finally be taken out of deep freeze next eppie, but whether that is just a brief cameo like a few episodes ago remains to be seen. I wonder if she'll be able to snap Kei out his funk?

I meant to bring this up last episode, but would the Ajin drones have worked? The drones themselves could be running on battery power, but the remote control is wireless - wouldn't that have been nullified by the EMP attack? I'm not technically inclined so I actually don't know the answer.


300m range for the EMP bomb. Keep the drones out of range and standing by until the signal is given to send them in. Drones are faster than they look so it's not implausible for them to fly the distance portrayed in the episode for the attack to take place.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:16 pm Reply with quote
I buy that. Good, I'm glad was something they just didn't think about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:05 pm Reply with quote
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Well, well. It looks like things just got serious.

Satou pilfered the secret anti-Ajin weapons that the conglomerate secretly tested on Tanaka, because of the mechanics behind them they were assigned the chemical/biological hazard sign when placed in storage.

Now that he has one of the JSDF command HQ under control and locked down, he can enjoy himself for a week while the Japanese government runs around trying to evict him from his well-fortified position. With Nagai choosing the rational option of fleeing before an invincible foe, it looks like it might come down to the Americans who are partly responsible for creating this mess in the first place to fix the problem via (un)official military intervention.

Samuel T O'Brien, dishonourable discharge from the United States Marines/ Special Forces. Not hard to figure out why SATOu ended up being his moniker when in Japan. He might look Japanese, but his real name suggests he's probably of mixed heritage.

All this time Nagai's sister is still in hospital recovering from shock. The passage of time in this series is hard to track without watching both series back to back, but it looks like it's not too long after Shimomura tried to stop Tanaka from abducting her back in the first season.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:04 pm Reply with quote
I don't like what they did in the anime. There are very precious moment in the comic where nagai and Hirasawa had an emotional time at the roof. I could never forget when Hirasawa said "you are like my son." to nagai. In anime it doesn't exist anymore. May be that's why nagai said he was done at the end of this episode since he was not that connected to Hirasawa anymore.
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