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Angel M Cazares
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I don't know about Christianity, but I am still very interested on Haruhi Suzumiya. I have read the description of the last five novels on Wikipedia, and they seem interesting. I would love to see more anime from it. |
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Sailor S
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I didn't mean short memories from an actual mental standpoint, but rather from a consumer standpoint. But, you brought up an example that largely reinforces what I was trying to say. And heck, taking a slight detour of topic and focusing on Haruhi for just a moment, as evidenced there the perceived wrongs of even the voice actresses in a show can completely derail its popularity. Had Aya Hirano not done the unspeakable (sarcasm levels to max) and had a sex life, perhaps Haruhi would still be insanely popular. Not to say it's not without its fans still, but it's a far cry from what it was. Similarly, if any of the Madoka voice actresses would suddenly admit to having boyfriends, or worse, having sex, then I'd expect that Madoka's popularity would tank to a great degree. |
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Juno016
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Hold on. I think you misinterpreted what he said. I could read the Japanese if I had it, but I'm confident that your English sentence is true because...
...He was talking about anime in general being out of mainstream entertainment (as opposed to saying "the anime," which would be refering directly to Madoka). Shinbo, Urobuchi, Iwakawa, and the lot of them were surprised when Madoka became a phenomenon that pulled in viewers outside of the usual anime fandom. It bypassed niche entertainment barriers and moved people who had little to no interest in anime outside the usual Ghibli stuff to tears. Shinbo has had the hope ever since then that Madoka could be a gateway into bringing anime in general back into the mainstream it was before it became "niche" and specialized. It was an unexpected development, but he has been inspired by it ever since. I should note that while series like One Piece and other mainstream long-running manga and anime are popular among older people, they still don't receive the same kind of popular, widespread treatment that other niches of entertainment, like TV dramas, radio shows, and pop music do. Madoka certainly isn't as popular or widespread as One Piece or Doraemon, but considering the actual genre that Madoka is in, and who it initially appeals to, I don't think it would be ridiculous to say that it has the potential to break the niche entertainment barriers Shinbo intends to break. However, I think the final verdict might lie, in part, within the hands of the fandom. Too much attention to the wrong parts of the series (like the yuri service, Mami's breasts, moe magical girls, guro, etc.) could turn off the general public before they got a chance to care about it. [EDIT] Oh, yes. And on the subject of otaku having "short-term memory," that has become such a misinformed topic that I really can't ignore it anymore. For one, Madoka is still going strong in Japan, so it hasn't left the majority's thoughts yet (it's only been a year--even the not-so-popular stuff holds on longer than this). And two, I believe the real culprit of the "newer anime dominating polls" lies in the fact that time moves on--along with peoples' feelings. Otaku don't have "short-term memory." People just have to remember that the "good 'ol 90's" we all loved and cherished has had its time, and now, the newer generation either hasn't seen our stuff or has been bombarded with "WHAT'S NEW IS COOL" merchandise and gadgets, just as we had been. It's a sign of times changing, just as it's always been. If there was any decrease in the "reverence" of shows beyond one's time, that's not the fault of the "new otaku." We just have to live with it because nothing is permanent. tl;dr -- too bad. Read it or forever be ignorant! Mwahahahahaaaa!!! |
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Chagen46
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That is....a very specific aspect. Is there a particular reason you mentioned Mami's breasts in particular? |
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Juno016
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If you hadn't noticed, her breasts are the focus of some of the fan jokes that have become viral in both America and Japan (among other countries)--another focus being spoiler[her head.] While this is all fine and dandy on one side of the internet, when it spills out into the public, it tends to make people who aren't interested in that kind of stuff back away. I'm all for spreading the word, but I'd rather people hear that it's a respectable series and not a moe-fest of cute girls and fanservice. And in my experience so far, that seems to be the main thing that gets out into the public, along with major spoilers (which may or may not bring in newcomers, but still ruins their experience of the series). Take it from about half of my friends who won't touch it because they honestly believe it is another "K-ON!" phenomenon of otaku lust... but even in Japan, those who hadn't seen the anime by chance while it was airing are mostly hearing of it as something that should stay within the confines of the "dirty" otaku mind. I can cite that by personal experience as well--at least, where I stayed in Japan. |
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Chagen46
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Yeah, I stay away from the fan community to avoid spoilers.
Memes never make sense, it seems. I mean, Mami has somewhat large breasts compared to the rest of the Magicae, but I can't see how a joke could have arisen from that. |
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Juno016
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^Which is a good thing if you haven't finished a series. In the English community, people call her breasts "Mamis/Mammies," which is a meme. In Japan, it's less of a meme and more of a joke played out in fanart and such. In both English and Japanese communities, the running joke is that she actually wished for bigger breasts, or that she used her magic to enhance their size, since it is strange that a middle school girl would have such big breasts in the first place. That abnormality in the series caused the joke, since it's easily noticeable to a good portion of viewers. |
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Chagen46
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Oh. Isn't Mami near a high-schooler, though?
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Juno016
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I believe she is in her final year of Middle School, but I can't remember what year she is. Her age was never released. |
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enurtsol
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Not sure even Madoka penetrated all that deep into the J-mainstream, though it's certainly big among otaku. People may have heard of it, but that may be about it.............. 
Furthermore, J-fandom is bombarded by 40+ new series every season, fast and furious concurrently. Not much time to let sit and marinate; gotta keep moving just to keep up. While in the West, the familiarity seeps thru in levels, not all at once, so there's always people who are new to it at different time intervals, and that prolongs its time in the limelight.
Yeah, households would throw out perfectly-working washing machines just because a newer version with fancy new tricks become available. (One could conceivably live off picking up such "trash" and never have to pay for appliances again......... and some actually do.........) It becomes a problem for local municipalities figuring out where to store all those space-hogging trashed appliances before recycling or reprocessing. |
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population_tire
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Going by how the series ended, I wonder what the 3rd movie is going to be about. If I had to guess I'd say it'd be set sometime in the middle of the series and be a generic good guy vs bad guy (magical girls vs witch in this case) anime movie. spoiler[Madoka would still be human] if that theory happened, so who knows if they'd want to do that.
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Angel M Cazares
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Your post was kind of "spoliorific." If I were making the third movie, Ispoiler[would do a continuation of the series. I would be cool to learn about what exactly happened to Madoka. The ending of the series if fine, but I was a bit perplexed by it]. |
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Shiroi Hane
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Did I sleep through the Haruhi Crusades? |
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population_tire
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If you consider me implying that everything wraps up nicely and that there's no real way to continue it from there as a spoiler, then sure. spoiler[She pretty much hangs out in space/time and prevents witches from being made. Continuing from that would probably be more confusing than it needed to be.] |
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