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INTEREST: Man Arrested for Selling Fake Yōkai Watch Medals


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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:48 pm Reply with quote
Reading this article, I'm not really surprised, nothing to see here folks.
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crosswithyou



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:49 pm Reply with quote
So when are they going to start arresting people who sell forged seiyuu signatures? I shake my head so much when I see people bidding on those... The signatures are so sloppy yet somehow someone always gets duped.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:44 pm Reply with quote
GokuMew2 wrote:
So when are they going to start arresting people who sell forged seiyuu signatures? I shake my head so much when I see people bidding on those... The signatures are so sloppy yet somehow someone always gets duped.


Wait there are fake forged seiyuu signatures done by professional (or not quite professional) con artists ?? Shocked

That is really surprising, I never knew those exist. Confused I'll agreed the police (particularly Japanese police) are not doing a good job with catching the right criminals.
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Touma



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:06 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
I'll agreed the police (particularly Japanese police) are not doing a good job with catching the right criminals.

Do you really need to start bashing the Japanese again already?
I would like to see a source that supports your claim that the Japanese police are not doing a good job.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:32 pm Reply with quote
Touma wrote:

Do you really need to start bashing the Japanese again already?
I would like to see a source that supports your claim that the Japanese police are not doing a good job.


Well you ask and you shall receive:

Osaka police hide 81,000 crimes to clean up images (other source: Japan Today)

Japanese police officer ignore traffic accident to question bicyclist

Japan Daily Press-Police Apologizes for wrong arrests in e-mail threats

JDP-Cyber threat perpetrator leads authorities to cat with clues

I'll quote this from the above article:

JDP wrote:
The case has frustrated and embarrassed the National Police Agency after prefectural police claimed to have extracted confessions for arrested suspects only to later admit that they were mistaken.


NYT-Japan’s Inept Guardians

I'll quote the New York Times:

Ida Torres of New York Times wrote:
The police believe that because Japan is one of the world’s most crime-free societies, they must be great crime fighters. In fact, the opposite is true: Japan is peaceful, safe and regimented not because of, but despite, the frequently disgraceful performance of its guardians. Individually, many Japanese police officers are honest and dedicated. But as an institution, the force they serve is arrogant, complacent and incompetent. Rarely has this been so obvious as in the last few days.

Japan has been reeling over the case of a 45-year-old Nepalese man, Govinda Prasad Mainali, who returned to Katmandu last weekend after 15 years in detention. At the end of a prolonged trial (he was first cleared in a lower court), he was convicted of murdering a Japanese woman in Tokyo in 1997. The evidence was circumstantial; Mr. Govinda insisted on his innocence. After years of badgering by his lawyers, prosecutors finally surrendered DNA samples, which made it clear that he had told the truth, and that another, unidentified, man had carried out the crime.


Matthew Lacey Case: Fukuoka police dismiss NJ death by blow to the head as “dehydration” (Yomiuri & Japan Times) via Debito

LA Times on how J police ignore certain crimes. Like murder (via Debito)

I hope that's enough to back up my claim.
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EricJ2



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:44 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Touma wrote:

Do you really need to start bashing the Japanese again already?
I would like to see a source that supports your claim that the Japanese police are not doing a good job.


Well you ask and you shall receive:


(Uh, I don't really think he was "asking", but good point--Touma, might want to watch the wording next time, especially after those other couple threads...'Nuff said, that we're probably going to "receive" it anyway. Rolling Eyes )

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I hope that's enough to back up my claim.


It's enough, it's enough!...
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Touma



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:59 pm Reply with quote
EricJ2 wrote:
Uh, I don't really think he was "asking", but good point--Touma, might want to watch the wording next time,

You are correct, and I do apologize for my error in judgment.

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It's enough, it's enough!...

Correct again.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:18 pm Reply with quote
@Touma: Well I was afraid one or 2 evidences was not enough, so I did some digging and just found couple that I thought are really credible. As EricJ2 said, you ask and I gave it to you. Razz
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vanfanel



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:25 am Reply with quote
I wonder if arresting pirates is really the most efficient way of dealing with this problem. Why not come up with some way for copyright holders to simply bill pirates for royalties (or let them off with a warning if they're feeling generous) instead? The "sales" numbers can be determined from auction or download records, after all.
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crosswithyou



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:42 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Wait there are fake forged seiyuu signatures done by professional (or not quite professional) con artists ?? Shocked

That is really surprising, I never knew those exist. Confused I'll agreed the police (particularly Japanese police) are not doing a good job with catching the right criminals.

There are tons. The signatures are so sloppy yet some people somehow still manage to get tricked. I don't know why the people who get duped don't ever wonder how the same seller is able to obtain so many autographs when these are supposed to be rare.

Here are a few links:
Ono Daisuke - http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/190331223
Fukuyama Jun - http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f129198792
KuroBas cast - http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w110383935
Kuroshitsuji cast - http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u68591322
Some seller - http://sellinglist.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/user/rainbowheart_rainbowdream

*sigh* There are lots of fake cast signatures. They just write the title of the series and forge a bunch of cast signatures with the character name next to each one. These kinds of autographs are only ever given away as prizes with magazines and such and they will ALWAYS come with a paper congratulating the winner, like this one: http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k177971336

Here's a tweet from Suwabe Junichi saying that he and the Kiseki no Sedai members from KuroBas have never gotten together to sign an autograph board: https://twitter.com/MY_MURMUR/status/515154519341428737

As a seiyuu fan these auctions really make my blood boil.
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:39 am Reply with quote
@GokuMew2: Jeez Louis!!! Shocked

OK, that seem to enforce the "Japanese Police are incompetent". Has there been any demand from the Seiyuu agency to stop making fake signatures or did they not know of this??

To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of this. Confused
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crosswithyou



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:37 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
@GokuMew2: Jeez Louis!!! Shocked

OK, that seem to enforce the "Japanese Police are incompetent". Has there been any demand from the Seiyuu agency to stop making fake signatures or did they not know of this??

To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of this. Confused

Well you can't really blame the police if there isn't anyone (such has the buyer or a seiyuu agency) putting in a complaint. I really do hope that some seiyuu agencies get involved to stop this. =\
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:13 pm Reply with quote
GokuMew2 wrote:

Well you can't really blame the police if there isn't anyone (such has the buyer or a seiyuu agency) putting in a complaint. I really do hope that some seiyuu agencies get involved to stop this. =\


Well I hope they become aware of this, I'm surprised this has happened, has this forgeries/frauds been going on for a long time (as in has this happened like 10 or 20 years back??) or did it happened recently (like 1 or 2 years ago)??
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crosswithyou



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:30 am Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Well I hope they become aware of this, I'm surprised this has happened, has this forgeries/frauds been going on for a long time (as in has this happened like 10 or 20 years back??) or did it happened recently (like 1 or 2 years ago)??

I don't know for how long they've been around but I have seen them from 2-3 years ago. I think lately it's become more profitable, especially since seiyuu seem to be a bit more well-known nowadays. There are more new, young fans who aren't as knowledgeable.
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DavetheUsher



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:04 am Reply with quote
Man, I swear mdo, you and enurtsol jump on any chance to rag on Japan. Especially Japanese police.
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