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hakojo
Posts: 208 Location: NE Ohio. |
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Horo and Lawrence don't have anywhere near the level of plain old understanding of each other that I like to see between my romantic leads. Now, I haven't seen the second season because the first didn't appeal to me at all (and I did watch the whole first season), but of the material I have seen, Horo spent pretty much all of it just messing Lawrence around and then getting all shy when she screwed something up for him. That's not love! That's stupid teenage relationship crap that you see in Disney Channel original movies, for crying out loud. I dunno, I guess a lot of people like that stuff, but it just upsets me. It doesn't feel real at all. Also, I have no clue what actually attracts Horo to Lawrence (or vice versa) other than the bag of wheat and wanting a traveling buddy. Lawrence is just kind of this generic, generally-good-natured guy with fairly few defining traits outside of his occupation and the fact that he's a generic good-natured guy. Horo's got a little more character to her, but in the end she's basically a generic snarky girl with animal parts. It'd be a great setup for a road comedy, but I don't get how you pull deep, I-can't-live-without-you, two-halves-of-one-whole romance out of that. |
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maaya
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Well, after having seen both seasons I can tell you that their relationship has developed for sure. Already in the first season there was some developement, eventhough I don't remember the details anymore now ^^; Especially the ending was imho a big step forward.
And there are certain scenes and whole plot lines showing how much they do and don't understand / trust each other, and how each of them is trying to deal with and overcome that (f.ex. the childish Holo, she's actually working on that xD ). Anyway, to me it was nice enough to enjoy watching them ^^ |
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Cloe
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Posts: 2728 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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Deary me, you're completely right! Zac hasn't hit his fandom quota for the month! Clearly he has no choice but to lock himself into a room devoid of any entertainment except for a pile of Spice and Wolf waifu doujinshi and the ending credits to Sora no Otoshimono looping endlessly on a monitor. That ought to catch him up.
What? That doesn't even make sense as an adage. As is clearly stated in the podcast, he's judging the show based on its content, not its cover. And let me tell you, we have a phrase to describe books that are dull until 3/4 of the way through: poorly written books. |
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KabutoTX
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Thanks to everyone for the podcast. I really enjoy seeing the technical/business side of the operation. Thanks to Chris for coming on. I found AoD when he first started up and came from LaserDisc, so quality was very important to me. I think Chris's site always leaned toward the quality side of fandom. I always thought of it as the Digital Bits side of anime and you still see that in the HD threads kinda leading the way that anime should be presented. I do find it sad that it seems American companies are STILL behind on the quality side as a whole.
Look forward to the final decade podcasts. |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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Ah, come on Cloe, have you even watched the show or even been paying attention to the American cover, of the manga side, in the manga section. It does make sense. It's an inside joke on my part.
And I'm sorry, is Zac's word God around here? How about some independent thought once in a while. What he said, after not completing the box set Funi so graciously sent him, and what others have said don't add up if you were to actually finish the series. If all you walked away from was the coin dialogue and the attitude of Horo, you've missed the point of this series. You've missed the point of the adventure, the main goal they are trying to achieve. What happens at the end has nothing to do with coins or Horo's attitude. We can argue all day about this, what we haven't watched and you haven't seen. I can't make you finish a series people seem so bored with, but try to finish or at least fast forward through the last few episodes so that we can get more of an accurate complaint. spoiler[See, the Fenrir form has yet to be mentioned.You can't possibly ignore it. Horo is as big as the screen. It becomes somewhat frightening and uncontrolled. After that tragedy goes down, things change for the better between Lawrence and Horo. It's a very unique sight to witness, Yet none of this was mentioned. There's a reason there is a second season. There wouldn't be if it was, as Zac said it was.] |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Please quote the specific posts that demonstrate this attitude.
If a series fails to convey it's point, it's very reason for existing until the last couple episodes it has failed. You CAN NOT seriously try to deny this. |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
Posts: 1684 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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Cliff's Notes version. |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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I do this "?" and several mini bosses appear.
It's understandable to use one way of watching something new but you will inevitably miss some of the best foreign series.(that has been mentioned many times) It could also be the method that we watch them in now a days too. Week to week compared to the way Zac was exposed to it in Boxset form may have been too much to stand. ------------------------------- Aghh, not Sevakis too. Incredible. It's misdirected hostility, I assure you. It has nothing to do with my opinion, guys. It's about what happened in the show. There is a thread dedicated to it in the anime section, where we reviewed each episode as they came out, listing what we all thought. Last edited by Shadowrun20XX on Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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HellKorn
Posts: 1669 Location: Columbus, OH |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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It's a slow story that builds up over time, with a sweet climactic ending. Not a quick fix. It's not for everyone.
Watch episode one of season two, It sums up what happened in the first season pretty quick.Also there is a thread dedicated to Spice and Wolf. There is no need to repeat this over and over again. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Have you ever given thought to the possibility that everyone just genuinely thinks you're wrong? Lord knows me and Zac don't always get along too well. Yet here I am disagreeing with you.
Wrong. Being bored to tears for ten episodes before a series gets good is not enjoyable in any country. A half decent story should be at least somewhat interesting from the beginning. This holds true even if it is something that slowly builds up over time. |
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HellKorn
Posts: 1669 Location: Columbus, OH |
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Pandadice
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I uh.. I actually did mention ths giga-wolf form in the first post of the thread and yeah, her busting out into that form was sweet. the like two times it happened. and just for the record, I did watch it in it's entirety (season one at least. no plans to watch s2) before I stated it was bad. However, the ending I thought was disappointing. Like I've said before. Because of how it's just "and our journey goes on~" and you wait for a season two.. an ending like that can't actually be called an ending.. it was just a mini-climax of a seemingly unimportant arc.. And like I've said in the first post of the thread, yeah certain scenes and conversations between Horo and Lawrence really were the highlights of the show. But I didn't care about their relationship see, because after starting the series I had this idea that they were entering a journey, and that it'd end.. not in how lovey dovey they get while on the journey.. I dunno, I guess i really did just expect too much adventure from it, but in stead got a romance. you're right, that's me not watching the series right (i'm not being sarcastic <.<). But also like I said in the first post, her super fabricated and completely unrealistic dialogue when she's "haggling" with the merchants in the show seriously made me want to just turn it off and not watch it. and likewise, some scenes with her and Lawrence did the same. But, I'll give it to you that they do have there scenes together. and their chemistry, at parts in the show, is enjoyable. and even if Horo isn't "technically" "moe" or "tsundere", there's no getting around the fact she was designed to pander to the otaku masses, and it worked incredibly. (p.s. this is the first thread I've ever discussed this in where 100% of people weren't against my opinion ) |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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Who are you to say otherwise?
spoiler[There is no secret meanings in my posts. Just finish the series before you talk crap. I cannot simplify this any more. I really do enjoy when Zac talks down about a series. It's hilarious.] |
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Keonyn
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Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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Okay, some people need to simmer down a bit here. People are going to disagree with you, welcome to the world of free thought. You're free to disagree with them as well, but do it respectfully and don't soapbox. Telling people they're wrong isn't going to change their minds, and implying that they're somehow less of a fan, or just aren't paying close enough attention or that their disagreement with you is somehow due to a failing of their own is just going too far.
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