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PetrifiedJello
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I've read your replies, but I don't see the explanation at all.
And what the heck did you expect from a torrent tracking site?
And my position here is where the conversations fall apart. I'm sorry, but upload to where again? From the information I've gathered, users don't upload content at all. Please correct me if this is wrong.
Especially given the fact it was the definition of the "green leaves" as a narcotic that put the dealer in court in the first place.
Agreed, so I won't delve into semantics given file names regarding the case. But please do keep in mind when the RIAA sues an 80 year old lady, who has never owned a computer in her life, let's just hope you understand the difference between allegations and case facts. |
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Shale
Posts: 337 Location: The Middle of Nowhere, DE |
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Illegal activity, which is exactly what I'm seeing. I'm not sure what you're expecting. To be specific: I can go to TPB, click on "TV Shows," and the next thing I see is a list of categories: 24, Prison Break, CSI, and so on. Clicking on one of those takes me to a list of torrents. Any argument that nobody could figure out that these are links to copyrighted material is laugh-worthy. And just as importantly, it's organized deliberately by the people who run the site; it's not a matter of an automated process pulling in copyrighted material along with the legitimate stuff, as is the case with Google.
TPB lets its users upload torrent links to the site, where they are then indexed and made available for search and download. That's how these sites work. |
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PetrifiedJello
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What I see is a service that's being abused. TPB has serious legitimate uses that are now overshadowed by the purpose of obtaining copyright materials.
Ask anyone who has torrented a file and found a virus instead. ![]() Of course, semantics plays here. I can not (nor will) dispute the majority of content is copyright. That's just ignorant.
Just like you need a URL like 'www.google.com' to go to a web site and download content, you need a 'torrent file', a small file that tells the BitTorrent client the necessary info to download the content you want. This is generally obtained from a torrent website. Many websites offer torrents as one method of downloading files. For example, OpenOffice.org, a free alternative to Microsoft Office, can be downloaded using BitTorrent. Other sites, like legaltorrents.com, offer torrents of all kinds of things - these sites are just repositories of torrents and usually don't actually create any of the content available. They're known as indexes or trackers - there is a subtle difference between the two. (The Wikipedia article on BitTorrent trackers explains the difference.) This is from the BitTorrent (creators, I gather) website. With additional reading, anyone with intelligence can easily see how TPB operates. It's not about uploaded links. It's about searching computers open to allow the links to be posted. In other words, it's the "Google of torrent files". Doesn't matter if these links point to copyright material (Google points too). It ultimately comes down to the user making the choice to download the torrent, use a 3rd party app to extract the file from the torrent, and install the software. Those three steps alone should exonerate TPB from copyright infringement. But that's just my opinion. |
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Shale
Posts: 337 Location: The Middle of Nowhere, DE |
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Abused? No, used for its intended purpose. If somebody makes a website that includes a (working) link that says "click here to download Battlestar Galactica" and people use that link to download BSG, can you say that the site is being hijacked against its owners' intentions?
Ask anyone who has torrented a file and found a virus instead. ;)[/quote] And if I buy pot, there's no guarantee that I'm not getting cooking spices. You're making my point for me - if that torrent doesn't contain illegal materials, then the downloader is being lied to. |
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Dargonxtc
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So I guess common sense to you means that a site that searches the entire Internet, specializes in nothing, with results that will probably yield a 10% illegality rate, and informs it's users of what material may be copyrighted, takes the user to the source site if the user wishes to view the full image, a site the user could have found using any number of search engines even if they weren't searching for images in the first place, and a site that proclaims it specializes in illegal content first and foremost, will yield close to a 100% illegality rate when used, and whose general overall purpose is to pirate copyrighted material under lightest of guises, are exactly the same. Common sense to you also means that a picture that at most costs $3.33 (assuming a $200/hr wage) and one person to produce, is the same as an entire movie that costs millions of dollars, hundreds of people, and tens of thousands of man hours to produce. All of these things are exactly equal according to PetrifiedJello, yes? |
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DomFortress
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This is the full context of a private message from PetrifiedJello regarding my last post:
This is important, because just like how PetrifiedJello threaten me with a lawsuit, it will be exactly what those 4 internet pirates can do as retaliation if they were found not guilty in the court of law; by filing a civil lawsuit called "Defamation, Libel and/or Slander" on the other party, and claim that as the "plaintiffs" of this civil lawsuit, their personal and business reputations had suffer substantial damage by the entertainment industry with:
And if they were found not guilty for their copyright infringement charge, the 4 internet pirates can surely pursuit with this counter-suit and win due to their innocent verdict on copyright infringement. This will then establish a precedent for the other internet pirates to follow their example, and overthrow the entire copyright protection system. Personally, I think PetrifiedJello has gone far enough with this nonsense of his. He didn't just publicly lied about the case, twisted the nature of the copyright law, DMCA, fair use and Safe Harbor Act with his double-standards. But now he's privately threaten me with legal actions not because he's a dignified and rational individual, but a bully who's afraid to show his true intention in public. Well that's the last draw. I, DomFortress, a 31 years old Richmond B.C. Canadian resident, here by publicly calling PetrifiedJello in third person, as a liar, a hypocrite, and a bully, on Thursday April 23. 2009, 9:30pm Pacific standard time. That's more than enough of an incentive for PetrifiedJello to file a defamation civil lawsuit on my person. If he had not been lying about the case, twisting the nature of the copyright law, DMCA, fair use and Safe Harbor Act with his double-standards, and privately talked down and threaten me. And if he didn't follow-through with a legal action, it's not because he's a dignified and rational individual, but a coward. OTOH, I'll be readying his legal action against my person, by defending my action with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. But of course, that's if PetrifiedJello has the guts to go through with this. |
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Mohawk52
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Wow! This could be the first flame war to actually go to court! Yet another great internet moment in history. Can we get this televised?
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Takeyo
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Yeah, but chances are the footage will end up on TPB before most of us are able to watch it on TV.
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abunai
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Oh, go take a long walk off a short pier...
Locked. - abunai |
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