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NEWS: Missouri Man Pleads Guilty to Possession of 'Cartoon' Child Pornography


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Sarukah



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:06 pm Reply with quote
tangytangerine wrote:
RyanSaotome wrote:
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In August 2011, Bee's wife contacted the Monett Police Department to report that she had found child pornography on Bee's computer.


Theres a loving wife.


That's the thing I can't get over. It was his wife that reported it to the cops. But I have a feeling the guy will filing for divorce after this.


TitanXL wrote:
And people mock otaku for having 2D waifus. I doubt they have to deal with this.


You people are unreal. None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements. Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:16 pm Reply with quote
Sarukah wrote:
Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.


You sound like you're full of crap, full offensive meant. Just like playing violent video games leads to murder on a quantifiable regular basis? You don't even have any anecdotal evidence to back up your nonsense, aside from Tsutomu.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:17 pm Reply with quote
Sarukah wrote:

You people are unreal. None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements. Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.


Just because you call something a fact does not make it so. I've seen no evidence to suggest that getting off to fictional porn leads someone to crossing into actual stuff. Care to show some evidence for this "fact" that you've claimed?
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pluvia33



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:19 pm Reply with quote
Sarukah wrote:
Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.

Wait, what? Proof? Just because a pedophile might have started out with escalating enjoyment of fictional porn does not mean that everyone who might be into such fictional porn is going to become a pedophile. I find such allegations disgraceful and offensive.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:20 pm Reply with quote
Sarukah wrote:
tangytangerine wrote:
RyanSaotome wrote:
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In August 2011, Bee's wife contacted the Monett Police Department to report that she had found child pornography on Bee's computer.


Theres a loving wife.


That's the thing I can't get over. It was his wife that reported it to the cops. But I have a feeling the guy will filing for divorce after this.


TitanXL wrote:
And people mock otaku for having 2D waifus. I doubt they have to deal with this.


You people are unreal. None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements. Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.


What??
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Konopan



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:27 pm Reply with quote
Sarukah wrote:
You people are unreal. None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements. Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDbNaLqVw8c
In this episode, Kenan and Kel learn about thought-crime.
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configspace



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:28 pm Reply with quote
The blurb about 1466A in the article is partially wrong (though several sites still list the old version of the law)

part 2(A)(B) were struck down in Handley's case, leaving only 1466A, part 1(a)(b) --the obscenity parts as the requirement. Most will plead guilty to get a lighter sentence because most won't get past convincing others it's not obscene (likewise with regular porn)

ANN already covered this
animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2008-10-09/cbldf-to-serve-as-special-consultant-in-protect-act-manga-case

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District Judge Gritzner of the Southern District of Iowa found that subsections 1466(a)(2) and (b)(2) of 18 U.S.C. 1466A unconstitutional. Those sections make it a crime to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to distribute, "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting," that "is, or appears to be" a minor engaged in sexual conduct. Judge Gritzner found that those sections restrict protected speech and are constitutionally infirm.


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BlackJaded



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:28 pm Reply with quote
Sarukah wrote:

You people are unreal. None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements. Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Every time, every time!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Another one of these cases? Sheesh. Not sure what to say that hasn't already been said a thousand times. I don't think drawings should be illegal, don't think drawn images should be equated with real life child porn, etc, etc.

Sarukah wrote:

None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements.


This is the one part of your post I can somewhat agree with. On principle I don't like what she did, as she turned someone in for a "crime" I feel shouldn't exist, but without knowing the specific circumstances I don't want to judge her too harshly.
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Sorraffy



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:32 pm Reply with quote
The United States Department of Justice's "Project Safe Childhood" = joke

Government to recommend 3-year prison sentence for comics found on man's computer = joke

why, all because of one simple headline I saw today:

Quote:
Cortez man guilty of killing infant daughter gets 90 days in jail
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MagusGuardian



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:54 pm Reply with quote
oh great the thought police are polishing their non existent weaponry again. one other thing I had a mental facepalm when sorraffy mentioned the other headline this however involving an Actual child
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VanGosroth



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:56 pm Reply with quote
While I strongly agree that Children need to be protected from predators, the keyword is children. Living, breathing children.

All these lolicon arrests are BS. Unless the lolicon drawings are based on actual images of child exploitation, there are no victims. To arrest someone for viewing naked cartoons because it MAY lead to actual molestation is bullcrap. It's like saying just because I own a handgun I'm going to be a homicidal maniac.

Have Gun? ---- > Psychotic shooters need to buy guns ---- > I will now be arrested for having a gun because I COULD go psychotic.

That's literally how stupid this whole situation sounds to me every time I see one of these news stories.

I'm kinda curious. If I draw a flat chested stick figure, will I be arrested for creation of exploitative material unless I verify the characters age is > 18? That's where this crusade will lead to.
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ayashe



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:11 pm Reply with quote
Those poor, abused drawings! Thank God we have the government to protect the fictional children! Now that we've saved all the real children of the world we can focus on the fake ones. I won't rest until ALL forms of fictional child abuse are illegal, not just sexual (hey England, did you hear about what happened to Harry Potter? What are you going to do about that?!) Because it's not at all a waste of time and money to overreact over some drawings or words. If you can't solve real problems just make up some.
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kanechin



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:26 pm Reply with quote
oh why this again. YO JUDGES!, the fictional stuff does not mean he effed a little girl. Bet many guys have gotten away with boinking a little girl thanks to money/connections/etc but the guys with limited cash who only have images of some character that can't possibly exist in this world end up screwed.
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4nBlue





PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:30 pm Reply with quote
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Under the terms of today's plea agreement, the government will recommend a sentence of three years in federal prison without parole.

You know what makes a man in to a fine law-abiding citizen? Ruining his life, isolating him from the society for three years and having him spend those three years with criminals. That's what makes a man in to a fine law-abiding citizen. Rolling Eyes

Sarukah wrote:
You people are unreal. None of you have any clue at all what the situation was that led to the wife bringing in the cops. Wait until you know the situation before passing such judgements. Not to mention that fact that having fictional porn leads to needing more and more and more until you move up to real little children, which is the what the main issue is and why him having to face consequences could actually save his life in this department.

http://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cartoons-and-child-sex-abuse/
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The Copenhagen Post reveals that a report issued by experts at Sexologisk Klinik discredits claims that cartoon depictions of underaged characters engaging in sex acts encourage people to commit child sex crimes in real life. The report to the justice ministry states: “We have had to acknowledge that there is no evidence that the use of fictive images of sexual assaults on children alone can lead people to conduct sexual assaults on children.”
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