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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:19 pm Reply with quote
Primus wrote:
It's a shame that Type-0 has remained Japan-only while tripe like All The Bravest are released worldwide.


From some unnamed sources square-enix "one being a square-enix of america employee" sad they where planning on releasing type-zero here for the psp. They had the translation was 100% complete and the editing/dub was at 90% then shelved the game because it won't sell. They wasted all that time, money and effort to help localize a game and just said nope because of the status for the psp here in the states.

http://gematsu.com/2012/11/rumor-final-fantasy-type-0-localization-nearly-completed-in-2011

Take of that for what you will but it does sound like something square would do at the last minute.

@RyanSaotome: is that some loli fishing I see??
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:31 pm Reply with quote
Primus wrote:
It's a shame that Type-0 has remained Japan-only while tripe like All The Bravest are released worldwide.


Type-0 is for a system America hates. Japan loves the PSP but Americans couldn't care less about it, so you guys sadly miss out on all the great PSP games still being released for it in Japan. I'm plugging through Digimon Adventure and loving it, myself. Blame your market's tastes for that, I guess. That's ultimately what people need to learn, don't bash the companies, bash the consumers. IT's not their fault of all their awesome games just won't sell in the American market. Import them or emulate them then, problem solved. Just think of them like anime fansubs for games.

BonusStage wrote:
Why do so many people praise it and it's the third best selling in the franchise if it's so reviled? I found it very enjoyable and fun and so did many other people.


Most people do love it, it's just a vocal minority who bash the crap out of it. Just be thankful it's not as zealous as the new holy crusade against Devil May Cry.
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redcar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:51 pm Reply with quote
Ah, one of these days I really need to get around to playing the Lufia II remake...

I think of the companies listed, Westone is the nearest and dearest to my heart. You didn't mention Wonder Boy in Monster World, which I spent many hours playing as a kid and personally think is just as good as Monster World IV. They're both fantastic games though really, even if the former is somewhat of a Zelda clone.

Also Todd, I'm not sure if you ever read these forums threads for your articles, but if you do then you might appreciate this homage to the catchy MWIV soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc0bJi8mHK4
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:59 pm Reply with quote
Project X Zone: I'm just as pleasantly surprised as everyone else who thought this wouldn't come here. Now it is coming, and all is well. I hope they plan on releasing a more complete OST for it.

FF: All the Bravest: I guess the only good thing about this garbage is that it's just an app, and apps are not console games. Still it has caused more damage to the FF rep in only a few days than FFXIII did within a month. The franchise name doesn't mean anything to them anymore other than, "Whatever we slap FF onto sells and that's all the matters; not 'quality' or whatever that word is our suckers, I mean fans, keep spouting off all the time."

The Unappreciated:

*Media.Vision: Too bad Sony is too damn stupid to have Media.Vision come up with one last Wild Arms game to close the series for good. A few days ago, I got done writing a nostalgia piece about what happened to Wild Arms over the years and all the great memories I had of playing all the games. Kind of a nice coincidence you mentioned the series on today's X Button. Just wish they'd make a Wild Arms 6 already. Chaos Rings, for what it's worth, is still really fun and one of the better crafted phone RPGs you can find, but some may feel that Media.Vision's talent is going to waste on developing games for everyone's little noise boxes.

*Neverland Co: Energy Breaker and Chaos Seed needed localizations, and Lufia is suffering the same fate as Wild Arms: stagnation. I can't really comment on Curse of the Sinistrals as I still have this nagging doubt in my mind that it's a really stupid re-imagining of Lufia II. Ruins of Lore was a waste of time and Neverland's worst offering in the series, I'm sad to say. Lufia fans disliked it immensely and despite I played through the whole thing, it was a very unbalanced game from start to finish.

*Westone: I have to say the Monster World games are some really great platform RPGs after having only played two of them so far. I would actually like to see how this Aquario would turn out too. The character designs look pretty nice for what it's worth and I bet this would allow for some fun animations even better than Asha's.


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Optitron



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:17 pm Reply with quote
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For a nominal fee, I will opine that no U.S. publisher will bring out a game of your choosing, thus all but guaranteeing its release.


How much for the Digimon Adventure PSP game and the DS version of Ni no Kuni? I've already got an imported copy of the former coming, but I'd prefer a version that at least has english subtitles (actually that's better than having the american cast re-dub in my opinion, since most of their voices don't fit the characters as well, like Pinnochimon and most of the kids, who sound like adults). As for the latter, I've been staring at videos and screenshots of the PS3 version all week and I want a version of this I can actually play without having to buy a PS3 and a TV to hook it up to (if this was Kingdom Hearts III, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The pre-order would already be in, and the system and TV would be in the mail. Just sayin').

Thanks for Project X Zone though. I think this proves that with just a little more pestering, you can make Mega Man Legends 3 a reality once more.
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doctordoom85



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:55 pm Reply with quote
BonusStage wrote:
Beatdigga wrote:
Final Fantasy has long since been running on nostalgic fumes, made worse by endless sequels to the reviled XIII


Confused Why do so many people praise it and it's the third best selling in the franchise if it's so reviled? I found it very enjoyable and fun and so did many other people.


I agree, XIII was fairly good, now I don't think we needed the ridiculous amount of sequels/spin-offs, but still I enjoyed the first installment.

I have faith that there will be a good new FF game down the road. For me, VIII was the lowest point of the series (counting main installments only), but it was immediately followed by IX which I consider the best of the series, so yeah.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:21 pm Reply with quote
Speaking of crossovers, Nintendo just broke the internet's brain with a Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem game. I swear next thing I'm gonna hear is they're doing a Metroid x Devil May Cry title with Samus having a Devil Trigger. The fanfiction, oh dear BUDDHA the fanfiction
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CrownKlown



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:21 pm Reply with quote
Are you people [insult removed]?

FF 13 sold the most because its the only/first bleeping FF released cross platform. It has that many more users to spend money on it. FF 7 on the the other hand sold 10 million plus on the ps1 alone, and that was during Nintendo's hey day with the SNES as competition.
In short it is a terrible series (13 not FF), most fans dont like it with only a small minority like the 3 users on this post suggesting otherwise, and it only sells well because the numbers are skewed due to its much larger release. If you take that into account its actually a pretty poor seller for FF.
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GVman



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:08 am Reply with quote
CrownKlown wrote:
Are you people [insult removed]

FF 13 sold the most because its the only/first bleeping FF released cross platform. It has that many more users to spend money on it. FF 7 on the the other hand sold 10 million plus on the ps1 alone, and that was during Nintendo's hey day with the SNES as competition.
In short it is a terrible series (13 not FF), most fans don't like it with only a small minority like the 3 users on this post suggesting otherwise, and it only sells well because the numbers are skewed due to its much larger release. If you take that into account its actually a pretty poor seller for FF.


"Bluh bluh bluh errybody should agree with my because my opinions are facts."

I also don't see the argument you're trying to make. XIII selling a lot due to a multiplatform release instantly makes it the worst? You're going from point a to point epsilon with that logic. I can understand that you're miffed that XIII didn't appeal to you, but it certainly appealed a whole hell of a lot to others. Also, who do you mean by "most fans?" Are you saying that you've gone and spoken with everyone who considers themselves a fan of FF and asked them what they thought of XIII? I doubt that; and if you haven't done that, then you don't know what most fans think.

For the record, I also like XIII so this could just be my brain cancer acting up.
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:15 am Reply with quote
"Most people" is Wikipedia-ese for "I think"
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Graceful Nanami



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:47 am Reply with quote
Wild ARMs was the best JRPG series ever made. So much fun, interesting uniqueness and memories. I'll miss you.
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Juno016



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:16 am Reply with quote
CrownKlown wrote:
Are you people [insult removed]


As soon as I finished FFXIII, with its Deus ex Machina ending and cheesy dialogue (Japanese or English), I went to the doctor to get my head checked because I actually liked the game, story, gameplay, visuals, music, and all. They said it was a condition they called "personal preference" and that the only way to cure it was to listen to people like you, who obviously know their stuff.

Bravely Default: Flying Fairy is great! I just wish I knew where to buy an affordable version of Digimon Adventure online to import, since I'm no longer in Japan right now and I only have so much monies...
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ChibiKangaroo



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:42 am Reply with quote
I stopped playing FF games after I beat FF X and realized that Square didn't really care about good stories anymore, but instead was just pushing the envelope as much as possible on graphics and scenery porn. FF X was by far the easiest RPG I had ever played. I don't recall losing a single battle. The voice acting was awful, and the characters were completely one dimensional. I am pretty sure that Tidus is the most annoying and whiny protagonists I have ever seen in a game. That just killed the franchise for me. It is sad that they appear to be continuing in their decline in quality. I suppose that's what happens with a lot of companies though once they grow so big that they become juggernauts in the industry, they don't really have an incentive to put out the best possible products anymore, since a ton of people will buy the stuff no matter what. I hope someday square enix can create another FF game that will be at the level of excellence of their classics.
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doctordoom85



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:16 pm Reply with quote
ChibiKangaroo wrote:
I stopped playing FF games after I beat FF X and realized that Square didn't really care about good stories anymore, but instead was just pushing the envelope as much as possible on graphics and scenery porn. FF X was by far the easiest RPG I had ever played. I don't recall losing a single battle. The voice acting was awful, and the characters were completely one dimensional. I am pretty sure that Tidus is the most annoying and whiny protagonists I have ever seen in a game. That just killed the franchise for me. It is sad that they appear to be continuing in their decline in quality. I suppose that's what happens with a lot of companies though once they grow so big that they become juggernauts in the industry, they don't really have an incentive to put out the best possible products anymore, since a ton of people will buy the stuff no matter what. I hope someday square enix can create another FF game that will be at the level of excellence of their classics.


If you've stopped playing FF games, how will you ever know if they've made a game that you can view excellent?

For the record, XII and XIII were more difficult than X, the voice acting has greatly improved (I like X, but agree that the majority of the acting ranged from so-so to bad), and the only "whiny" character since X is Hope in XIII (and he's a KID who lost his mom, cut him some slack already).

Also, Tidus never seemed that whiny to me, heck he seemed generally more upbeat than Cloud that's for sure.

CrownKlown: Are you suffering from a case of "BeingAJerk" much? So I have a different opinion than you, no need to insult my intelligence.
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ChibiKangaroo



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:26 pm Reply with quote
doctordoom85 wrote:


If you've stopped playing FF games, how will you ever know if they've made a game that you can view excellent?

For the record, XII and XIII were more difficult than X, the voice acting has greatly improved (I like X, but agree that the majority of the acting ranged from so-so to bad), and the only "whiny" character since X is Hope in XIII (and he's a KID who lost his mom, cut him some slack already).

Also, Tidus never seemed that whiny to me, heck he seemed generally more upbeat than Cloud that's for sure.



You are correct that it will be hard for me to know without giving another FF title a chance. I came close with FF 13, but I saw a bunch of reviews from individual players that were negative and that turned me off. I was also a little skeptical going into it based on seeing the early character designs and noticing what looked like a very stereotyped black character. (I recall seeing an early picture with him having a big afro with a chocobo inside it, which seemed a bit garish.) That's another one of my pet peeves with Japanese media lately. They seem to have a hard time depicting black characters who are not exaggerated in some way. I did hear from some people that Sazh was actually a well written character as far as his actual role in the game, so that might have been mitigated but I think it was really the initial player reviews that discouraged me the most.

Deciding on good games to purchase is a bit more challenging these days though I think, since the game review industry is so much broader now due to the internet, and game reviewing seems a lot more commercialized than it used to be (supported more by ads than subscriptions now.) It is hard to know who to trust. Often when I read a review for a game from a big time publisher, I have to wonder whether there is an agenda behind it. For example, I'm a lot more suspicious of Gamespot these days. They almost seem like a marketing arm for the industry rather than primarily a review site.
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