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NEWS: Japan's Ruling Party to Reintroduce Child Pornography Law Revision


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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:17 pm Reply with quote
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okay the main part of this bill I do agree with, japan really does need to step up and make possession of child porn illegal. No one can refute or should even argue that position.


Sounds like a challenge. If possessing it was legal, then perhaps more people would be willing to come forward and say where they got it from or who's distributing it? If it's illegal to have it, like in the States, I can imagine a lot of people who might see it accidentally (or not) be afraid of reporting it because 'Now it's on my computer' and 'They're gonna ask how I got it' and not report it at all in fear of also getting into trouble.


That depends on the person at hand and their own sense of morals/justice. Yes people are afraid to report it but don't forget there is thing called possession immunity. Every state has different set of laws regarding the issue, read mine for example.

http://www.kasap.org/images/files/GetInfo/Handout_Mandatory%20Reporting%200712.pdf

As for CP being legal now in japan to possess to becoming illegal it's up to the law makers. They could make it that all CP after the law is set into motion is illegal to posses while the rest is not, or do a full retro active law meaning it applies to all CP possession no matter if it's from 5-20 years ago.
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Heinzendegger



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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:24 pm Reply with quote
As I know the possession of any realy CP is already illegal.
As far as anime is concerned, I'm sure the cowardly studios will cut down on lolis even more.
Whether it passes or not. And that will mostly conclude all the changes.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:27 pm Reply with quote
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As I know the possession of any realy CP is already illegal.
As far as anime is concerned, I'm sure the cowardly studios will cut down on lolis even more.
Whether it passes or not. And that will mostly conclude all the changes.


In japan believe it or not possession of real child porn is not punishable offense by law. You can not distribute, upload, make or share said materials with anyone, however if you have said material in your for possession only it's not a crime as of now.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:45 pm Reply with quote
Theres no way this passes. The Government does a lot to promote anime and stuff, they wouldn't pass a law that would deliver a giant blow to help kill the anime industry. The anime industry lives and dies on the doujin market, sexualizing underage girls, etc. If you remove all of that stuff, the anime industry likely wouldn't be able to recover since they'd lose most of the stuff that actually sells.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:47 pm Reply with quote
DRAWINGS. ARE. NOT. PEOPLE.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:57 pm Reply with quote
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Theres no way this passes. The Government does a lot to promote anime and stuff, they wouldn't pass a law that would deliver a giant blow to help kill the anime industry. The anime industry lives and dies on the doujin market, sexualizing underage girls, etc. If you remove all of that stuff, the anime industry likely wouldn't be able to recover since they'd lose most of the stuff that actually sells.


Ryan as a guy that likes ecchi, hentai manga/anime, that is a really creepy statement to make.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:57 pm Reply with quote
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RyanSaotome wrote:
Theres no way this passes. The Government does a lot to promote anime and stuff, they wouldn't pass a law that would deliver a giant blow to help kill the anime industry. The anime industry lives and dies on the doujin market, sexualizing underage girls, etc. If you remove all of that stuff, the anime industry likely wouldn't be able to recover since they'd lose most of the stuff that actually sells.


Ryan as a guy that likes ecchi, hentai manga/anime, that is a really creepy statement to make.


But its true. Look at Comiket... its pretty much 90% characters who are under 18. Or Akihabara, there are posters of high school anime girls everywhere. Thats basically what the industry is. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but taking away that stuff would turn off the majority of people who actually fund the industry.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:59 pm Reply with quote
I think that if they really want this bill to pass, they need to specifically state that child pornography involving real children would be illegal, but not state anything revolving anime or manga. If they really want to deem drawings as legal child pornography, that needs to be done separately, at a later time.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:10 pm Reply with quote
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Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
RyanSaotome wrote:
Theres no way this passes. The Government does a lot to promote anime and stuff, they wouldn't pass a law that would deliver a giant blow to help kill the anime industry. The anime industry lives and dies on the doujin market, sexualizing underage girls, etc. If you remove all of that stuff, the anime industry likely wouldn't be able to recover since they'd lose most of the stuff that actually sells.


Ryan as a guy that likes ecchi, hentai manga/anime, that is a really creepy statement to make.


But its true. Look at Comiket... its pretty much 90% characters who are under 18. Or Akihabara, there are posters of high school anime girls everywhere. Thats basically what the industry is. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but taking away that stuff would turn off the majority of people who actually fund the industry.


Yes i know this but sometimes it's best not to point or call out the elephant in the room. This is why they want to ban or make it illegal to begin with.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:14 pm Reply with quote
Lynxikat wrote:
I think that if they really want this bill to pass, they need to specifically state that child pornography involving real children would be illegal, but not state anything revolving anime or manga. If they really want to deem drawings as legal child pornography, that needs to be done separately, at a later time.


That's the trick, though: They KNOW a free standing ban on underage sexual images in anime and manga won't pass. So the authors of this bill have tacked it on as a rider to something that has a high chance of garnering legitimate support (banning actual child pornography). It allows them to smear their opponents as supporters of child abuse and rally folks to support them that would generally oppose censorship of any kind. What we're looking at is cut-throat politics.

@Ryan - I agree that this move seems like it'd be wildly unpopular, but I also don't trust the LDP to know the first thing about how this would effect their entertainment industry, or necessarily even care. Best I can tell, the LDP and New Restoration Party see Japan's freedom of expression on these subjects as an inhibitor to overseas business. I don't think for a second that they really care one way or another on the issue, but from the things they've said on the subject, they seem highly fixated on their appearance overseas. Just like Tokyo's ordinance, I fully expect this bill to pass, but how much it will effect the anme & manga industry when the final draft comes down is going to depend on how hard the industry leans on their representatives.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:14 pm Reply with quote
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DRAWINGS. ARE. NOT. PEOPLE.


This. This sooooooooo much.

Seriously, anyone who gets up in arms about drawings when real children are still being abused have their priorities f*cked up.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:18 pm Reply with quote
Sigh one more time down the rabbit hole trying to CP by going threw anime and manga
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Hagaren Viper



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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:27 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
Theres no way this passes. The Government does a lot to promote anime and stuff, they wouldn't pass a law that would deliver a giant blow to help kill the anime industry. The anime industry lives and dies on the doujin market, sexualizing underage girls, etc. If you remove all of that stuff, the anime industry likely wouldn't be able to recover since they'd lose most of the stuff that actually sells.


So that means that the anime industry would have to focus less on cheap thrills and more on making good stories in order to make a sale? Travesty.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:28 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:

But its true. Look at Comiket... its pretty much 90% characters who are under 18. Or Akihabara, there are posters of high school anime girls everywhere. Thats basically what the industry is. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but taking away that stuff would turn off the majority of people who actually fund the industry.


A lot of anime characters are teenagers, not children, though.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:31 pm Reply with quote
This is what happens when the Japanese government falls into the hands of far-right crackpots.
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