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You don't really know what otaku pandering is.

Maybe not, but I know none of these games make me feel like a total creep for playing them. None of them want to sell themselves to me as purely fanservice games or games where all you do is care about cute girl characters.

Rahxephon91 wrote:

Quote: You don't really know what otaku pandering is. Maybe not, but I know none of these games make me feel like a total creep for playing them. None of them want to sell themselves to me as purely fanservice games or games where all you do is care about cute girl characters.

Wait wait wait. Didn't you just post in the Shinovi Versus thread "I'll probably buy this." That pretty much completely negates everything you said in that quote. It's entire purpose is to strip your enemies in a hack n slash fashion. Hell there's a panty vendor in the game with customizable clothes. If that's not otaku pandering, I don't know what is.

I smell hypocritical statements.

I must say it's incredibly disappointing to see people who will refuse to play a game that has a female lead or cast. I was hoping that kind of close-mindedness sexism didn't exist in this side of the gaming fanbase.

-Stuart Smith

While it's true that we're no longer in the PS2 era where there are fifty billion JRPGs out every year, it's not at all fair to say that Compile Heart JRPGs are the only games of their kind we're getting nowadays.

razisgosu wrote:

Rahxephon91 wrote: Quote: You don't really know what otaku pandering is. Maybe not, but I know none of these games make me feel like a total creep for playing them. None of them want to sell themselves to me as purely fanservice games or games where all you do is care about cute girl characters. Wait wait wait. Didn't you just post in the Shinovi Versus thread "I'll probably buy this." That pretty much completely negates everything you said in that quote. It's entire purpose is to strip your enemies in a hack n slash fashion. Hell there's a panty vendor in the game with customizable clothes. If that's not otaku pandering, I don't know what is. I smell hypocritical statements.

When did Senan Kagura become a jrpg? Oh wait it didn't.

Did I say SK is not a creepy or prevy game? No I didn't.

Did I say I wouldn't play that kind of game? Actually, no I didn't.

Have I basically said I'm not an automatic fan of otaku centric games? Yes, but actually that's not a contradiction.

I never said I had a problem with fanservice and I like brawlers like Dynasty Warriors. The Vita Senan Kagura is supposed to be a good action/brawler game despite it's subject material. So I'll put up with it.

What IF puts out are not good games to begin with and also jrpgs where the expectations of the genre are a bit higher then a brawler. Story and characters are kind of a thing and otaku centric games like that usually fail when it comes to those things. Focusing on fanservice and the characters being cute. Thats not what I want from a jrpg, I'm looking for a bit more with a jrpg. To say old PS2 jrpgs were like what IF puts out is false.

I also like porn and dumb action movies. I don't go into other things looking for porn or no plot either.

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I must say it's incredibly disappointing to see people who will refuse to play a game that has a female lead or cast. I was hoping that kind of close-mindedness sexism didn't exist in this side of the gaming fanbase. -Stuart Smith

I must say it's incredibly disappointing for someone to not actually understand whats being said.

And yeah it's sexism to not want to play a game that uses it's female characters the way IF's games do.

Don't make me laugh.

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While it's true that we're no longer in the PS2 era where there are fifty billion JRPGs out every year, it's not at all fair to say that Compile Heart JRPGs are the only games of their kind we're getting nowadays.

Sure seems like it. On the Vita and PS3 that sure seems to be the bulk of the jrpgs. Stuff from Gust, NIS, and IF outnumbers rpgs like FF and what not. During the PS2 days you could easily ignore that stuff as you had plenty of other jrpg options. That's not true. Hell, thats probably the only reason that stuff gets attention. No one would give a rats ass about something like Demon Gaze(yes not an IF game) or Mugen Souls had it come out during the PS2 heyday. There were too many jrpgs aiming higher then that niche. Yes stuff like Xenosaga, Shadow Hearts, and whatnot. Even if stuff like Persona is otaku popular they still don't solely cater to them.

This gen there has yet to be a Persona and there's been no other console rpgs from Atlus. No other series like Shadow Hearts and Xenosaga really. A big non FF comes maybe once at year at best and really it's just been Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Ni No Kuni, and maybe Eternal Sonata(terrible game). Some of those were years ago and/or came out years in between each other. On PS2 you had the Shadow Hearts games, 3 Xenosaga games, Grandia 3, Kingdom Hearts, Sukidoken, Tri Ace's stuff, Digital Devil Saga and so on. Medium to big jrpg productions on a regular basis. None of them really had to rely on the fanservice. Maybe it was there, yet it wasn't the face of the game. Watch trailers for IF games and that's whats in your face. They aren't trying to have amazing plots in imaginative and thought out worlds. They aren't trying to have fantastic battle systems.

There have been plenty of good quality JRPGs this generation, in 2013 specifically there were a ton. I can think of 4 alone from Atlus.

SMT IV, Soul Hackers, EO:IV, EO:U. Then there was also Fire Emblem Awakening, Rune Factory 4, Tales of Xillia, Disgaea D2, Pokemon X/Y, Ys: Memories of Celceta, and that's not including the Atelier games that I excluded from the list since you seem to have a problem with them, despite being good games.

Just because you're stuck only enjoying JRPGs from the 90s doesn't mean there aren't still quality JRPGs coming out now.

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There have been plenty of good quality JRPGs this generation, in 2013 specifically there were a ton. I can think of 4 alone from Atlus. SMT IV, Soul Hackers, EO:IV, EO:U. Then there was also Fire Emblem Awakening, Rune Factory 4, Tales of Xillia, Disgaea D2, Pokemon X/Y, Ys: Memories of Celceta, and that's not including the Atelier games that I excluded from the list since you seem to have a problem with them, despite being good games.

I thought it was pretty obvious we were primarily talking about console games.

I already have SMTIV, Soul Hackers, EO, Fire Emblem, Pokemon X and Memories of Celceta.

All those games are portables and not on consoles. The only console game listed is Xillia which is a pretty bad game, but whatever. I don't know if Disggaea DS is on PS3 and I don't care if it is either way.

I've tried to play two Atilier games and not only did they look low rent productions(I don't care if your models are nice when they animate like crap and the backgrounds are ugly), but the battles were few and almost baby mode in thier simplicity. Are they good games? I don't know. Again, if this was like the PS2 days I wouldn't even be starved enough for console jrpgs to try them.

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Just because you're stuck only enjoying JRPGs from the 90s doesn't mean there aren't still quality JRPGs coming out now.

Technically we're talking about games mostly from the 00s. The argument also wasn't that they aren't any good jrpgs, though I believe they are less frequently and when it comes to consoles pretty absent. It was more that older jrpgs were just like what IF does which is'nt true.

GUST and Compile Heart's work are nothing alike. GUST game have very little, if any fan-service in them. Atelier also has one of the deepest item systems out there, so saying these games lack depth is hilarious.

This is why it's hard to take you seriously.

And yeah, it is dumb to say games never had fanservice or stuff like that. Lunar had bromides, Dragon Quest VIII had all of Jessica's attacks and costumes, Grandia had those scenes where Justin spies on girls chaning and groping girls.
Tales and similar games with swimsuit costumes and pervy moments. Games like Azure Dreams and Thousand Arms revolved around dating sim elements.

And like Kaisos said, go play the non Compile Heart games if you hate them so much.

Then again since you listed a bunch of studios of different styles of games, I guess you hate just about everything made after you became an adult.

You do realize handhelds are still considered consoles correct?

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GUST and Compile Heart's work are nothing alike. GUST game have very little, if any fan-service in them. Atelier also has one of the deepest item systems out there, so saying these games lack depth is hilarious.

The PS3 Atelier games have the easiest battle systems ever. If there is any depth in thier battle systems, you can easily ignore it. Maybe there is depth in thier item syth. I don't know.

Hell, I just checked reviews to get an idea if the difficulty changes in these games as they go on and no they all seem to comment on how easy these games are.

You're right, it is wrong to lump Gust games in the same category as IF games since Gust games are seemingly made for girls. They do not have much fan service. So I am wrong.

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This is why it's hard to take you seriously.

Pot calling kettle black. At least I don't have an extreme bias with anything from Japan. I mean Jesus you attempt to lump everything western as bad, so you're the last one who should attempt to label anyone as this.

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And yeah, it is dumb to say games never had fanservice or stuff like that. Lunar had bromides, Dragon Quest VIII had all of Jessica's attacks and costumes, Grandia had those scenes where Justin spies on girls chaning and groping girls. Tales and similar games with swimsuit costumes and pervy moments. Games like Azure Dreams and Thousand Arms revolved around dating sim elements.

Again you're the last one who should make claims about people making sweeping generalizations. Thats all you do.

You're doing it right here where apparently anything that has fan service means they all have the same kind of fanservice. Pretty much every game you're talking about has it's fanservice at ignorable level meaning it's not even close to being the focus of the game like compile heart. It's a joke like it is in DQ and not at all to be sexy like it is in some IF games. Or it's just optional and a funny reward like in Tales with the optional costumes. Hell, in Vesperia where they make a comment on Judith's breast it's a joke. The game does not linger on her boobs like it would in an IF game.

To say all these jrpgs are just like IF games when it comes to fanservice is so wrong and you're being dishonest.

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And like Kaisos said, go play the non Compile Heart games if you hate them so much.

I have, there's not many on consoles.

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Then again since you listed a bunch of studios of different styles of games, I guess you hate just about everything made after you became an adult.

Three studios is a bunch? Ok....

I also listed recent games like TLS and Xenoblade as being good. I'm not sure how that's hating everything....

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You do realize handhelds are still considered consoles correct?

Fine, home consoles since apparently you can't wrap you're head around this.

Portables are not the same as home consoles.

So basically you barely gave the Atelier games a chance, which means chances are you didn't actually get to any of the bosses where you actually had to invest in the item synthesis to beat.

Almost all of the end game bosses in the Atelier series require you to actually craft what you're going to use to beat that boss.

t's an extremely versatile system such that an item you create could do 1 damage or 2000 damage depending on how you make it.

I also wouldn't call them directed at girls, there's nothing in them that would particularly draw in girls.

I think a lot of the problem here is you make generalizations about games you haven't played, or won't play

and therefore have no idea what you're talking about. It draws in a lot of bad attention to you.

Eternal Sonata (terrible game).

Hmmm........ after a stellar start, PS4 sales in Japan have slowed down considerably.