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Touma
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Do you have a source for that claim? |
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maximilianjenus
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I used to care about the sub vs dubs thing, but after 20+ years of watching anime I just learned japanese by osmosis so it's a non factor nowadays.
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Foxaika
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Yeah, I wonder about that as well. I would think that the number of more casual viewers would be much higher than that. For example, a lot of people I know watch/watched DBZ or Full Metal Alchemist or Naruto, etc in English. Even if they didn't become full on fans of Japanese animation, they are still viewers. Also, I imagine that if it is the case that the Germans mostly watch in Japanese, I would think that has more to do with watching as the show airs, and doesn't necessarily have to do with a preference. Unless Germans get dub simulcasts or something of that nature and actively choose Japanese over German. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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The few Gemans I know also know English and don't have a problem with dubs. However, many Germans who don't know spoken English well do better reading English, so it may be that many prefer subs but not really for the Japanese (though there are couple I have seen that have learned). For myself, there are a lot of dubs I like but then there are shows like Dusk Maiden where the Japanese voice actors do better and I enjoy listening in Japanese and following the subtitles.
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SouthPacific
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There are no scientific studies or any kind of data collecting group that has created numbers for this, and i'm guessing that's what you're after. I'm just speaking from the population around the globe that watches anime, and not just the US. And of course my many years on multiple anime sites, especially the large MAL. Ich kann auch ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen, so i've spent some time lurking around german anime fans. |
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PurpleWarrior13
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I like inserts when they were useful. FUNimation used to put 24-page booklets in with their Dragon Ball/Z/GT season sets with character bios and episode summaries. The episode summaries are VERY useful for a franchise with 508+ episodes, and you're not sure the exact number of the episode(s) you want to watch. FUNimation discontinued them before I finished collecting those sets, and it's a little annoying. If anyone has a copy of the booklets for Dragon Ball Seasons 4-5 and DBZ Season 9 and is willing to part with them, please message me! ;
(And yes, I know you can download and print them off online, but they're not formatted right, and it's annoying) And I like dubs because I just find it more fun and enjoyable to watch in my own language, and also, I like keeping up with the industry and supporting the actors' work. |
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thenix
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I'm really surprised to hear all the people that really don't like subtitles. I understand having a preference but there are so many benefits that dubs can match. I think originally I watched dubs because that's all that was on tv and DVDs often didn't have natural language. I then wanted to watch the show as it was originally made and meant to be heard. This is one advantage as even if dubs try their hardest they often can't match some things just because of the language barrier. Some characters personalities change with different voice actors. At the time too there weren't many good English dubs. Recently though dubs have gotten better and I realized I'm being and old cranky dude by not giving them a chance. Now I'll give the dub a chance and if I don't like it I go to sub. I've hardly seen a show where I didn't like the Japanese voice cast, but with English it seems to be about 50/50 for me.
I never really mind what other people do though. Do what you like and if I think subs are better then I just feel sorry that you are missing out on them. Nothing to be bothered or angry about. |
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SouthPacific
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I might be misunderstanding you, but you seem to think many German dub watchers actually watch English dubs of anime and not German language dubs... I'd say that while not as rare as Japanese people watching English dubs, it's still very rare. German people are high on dubs in general and that's not restricted to anime, however, even niche titles like Wixoss gets dubbed there, but in anime most Germans still watch anime in Japanese. |
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scriver058
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Definitely love how the dub/sub question was handled here; people often don't look beyond their own bubble. The vast majority of my anime is watched in dub form with the occasional sub for a simulcast, something that doesn't have a dub or something with an unwatchable dub which is very rare nowadays.
My thoughts on this subject have always been that unless you know Japanese, you wont get everything out of watching it in that language that you should. Whether you're watching a sub or dub, you're letting someone else do the translating for you and translating is rarely exact. So give me a dub with a script that's faithful to the spirit of the original but tailored more to the English language. |
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Foxaika
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I think that would still miss a lot of people. I mean, I imagine in countries that get no dubs, sure that would be the case perhaps, but in countries that do(who I would imagine consume more given that licensing and dubbing is considered more viable), I think the more casual viewers would have much more presence. Websites on the internet would not capture their viewership, because they wouldn't go on them generally. I'm not sure it's as much of a vast majority as you claim. As you said though, I don't think there is much actual data on this. Suppose all we can do is make educated guesses. |
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varmintx
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The only time I ever read the essays from Criterions, digibooks, etc. is when I'm waiting for others to get the hell in the room so I can start the movie.
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Red Fox of Fire
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MAL is exactly one of those "hardcore" anime fan sites I was referencing (MAL is possibly the most hardcore sub-loving anime fan site in existence). You're just like the person who asked the question in the main article. Your source is extremely biased. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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I've not got that or any Criterion titles, but Manga UK have included a Jonathan Clements essay-type thing with at least one release of their discs. Darned if I can remember what it was though - either Akira or something Masamune Shirow-related.
My one popular video is a clip of the music box that came with one of the Clannad boxes from Japan. YouTube has suggested I monetize it but I've never done it since the tune it plays is copyrighted.
It's a dated fact now, but it is still a fact that dubbed VHS tapes sold better than subbed ones when when both were available (I haven't ever seen any of the data, but I've heard it on reliable authority more than once). |
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Tempest_Wing
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I wonder what Japanese viewers think when they're confronted with the issue of subbed or dubbed western media.
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KamikazeJawa
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Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 1 Someone give this girl the Lurker of the Month Award! Also Rizuchan's view pretty much summarizes my view on dubbed anime. |
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