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MarshalBanana
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I wonder what some of the creators thought when they saw the 4kids dub. I heard when Princess Mononoke was going to be localised, someone at Ghibli sent them a real Katana with a note saying "No Cuts"
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addiemon
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Follow-up question: since most anime are produced by a consortium, how much does control does the individual licensor company typically have vs the consortium? Can the licensor just give approval, or does everything have to go to the consortium? Some of both, depends on the committee?...
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Buzz201
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Worth noting that the katana was sent to Harvey Weinstein, heard of Miramax at the time, not 4kids... |
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MarshalBanana
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Oh yeah I know that, both where separate statements. The Mononoke thing apparently was because of the botched Nausicaa dub. |
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Shiroi Hane
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Another famous example of that sort of thing is Arucard in Hellsing. They tried hard to explain that it should be Alucard but the Japanese wouldn't budge...
There was an ANNCast once where they talked about subtitling Bantorra and how they'd corrected all the awkwardness but been told to change it back, which is why there are some peculiar names and the insistence on using the entire title of the "Church of the wossnim in wossnim" every time it occurred. |
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Tempest_Wing
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Nope, that happened with Nausicca. Not Princess Mononoke. |
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Kadmos1
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I am also curious how the Japanese rights holders approve/disapprove the English dub cast when the rights holders' English skills are likely questionable.
Another thing that is questionable is regarding all the 4kids dub-induce plot holes and editing. I really question that the Japanese themselves would themselves do all these mistakes. Yet, ironically, they yanked the 4kids license of One Piece. |
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KidOblivion
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So the Japanese approve the horrible Pokemon dub and music changes?
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tygerchickchibi
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The Sailor Moon re-release is a more recent example. Viz Media was pretty much stating that Takeuchi was involved in the English castiing process. but from what I know about these "Japanese Involvment," it's still screened by the English Directors and given to the Japanese companies to get the "yay" or "nay." response. I'll never understand this, but I don't really know what else to tell you. However, this isn't new news to me,there are plenty of other anime in the last few years or so that had similar processes. Just kinda tired right now to give more. |
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CandisWhite
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Edited broadcast dub that was half-aired, out of order... Or edited broadcast dub that was aired in order and in its entirety... Or unedited DVD dub with some dub-induced mistakes kept in the script but with otherwise the same experience had as when watching the Japanese version? I just want to know where you're coming from. I stab hard some awful decisions made, and later kept, in the 2000 Escaflowne dub ("It's a Zaibach attack!"--pre-Zaibach reveal) but otherwise find the experiences watching the dub and the original Japanese version to be quite similar. Viz's dub of Sailor Moon, which they've gone to town touting as a faithful dub, has some interesting liberties in the script. Don't get me wrong; The dub is wonderful in some areas and, while it falls flat in others, I wholly love and appreciate what Viz is doing( I've bought all 4 sets): I just want to point out that, outside of Speed Racer-esque debacles, what makes a great dub is highly subjective. |
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vanfanel
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Beware the original creator who thinks he/she knows English better than the translator...
I wonder if something like that happened with a certain space opera series about the invasion of one of Saturn's moons...at least I think that's what it's about 
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unready
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Attack on Iapetus? Well, I think they kept the title from the English translation of the manga for the English title of the anime. Still, they had the opportunity to correct some hilarious grammar nonsense, but they didn't. Oh, well. |
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Shiroi Hane
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The "message" was for Mononoke, but probably because of Nausicaa (more specifically, "Warriors of the Wind"). It is Toshio Suzuki who was actually responsible for the sword. |
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Polycell
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The thing with Attack on Titan and Encouragement of Climb is that the names were chosen before the animes were even thought about - both of them have those Engrish titles on the original Japanese manga covers and both were worked into the logo of the show. Not really much room for maneuvering at that point.
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leafy sea dragon
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How does approving something in a different language even work? Does the licensor have translators handy to make sure something is satisfactory? How can they even tell, considering translation is an inexact thing?
The problem there is: How would you know? You're basically hiring someone to behave proficiently in a field the rest of the team might know very little about. Unlike hiring a rocket scientist if you want to build a rocket or a championship-winning athlete to understand a sport intimately, you'll never know if the interpreter did their job properly. You'll never know if the person you've hired was effective at getting his or her point across, or if the other party got a totally different message and nobody noticed until it's too late. That being said, Greg Warner (who works at Shueisha) is a translator who specializes in Japanese-to-English and is married to a Japanese woman who specializes in the other direction, so I'd bet the two of them have become very good at making sure the message gets through as unmuddled as possible.
Style, I guess. Looking at consonant-filled names in stuff like Bleach and Hunter X Hunter, English seems to be seen as a very fluid language free of rules or something. Certainly, it's far more relaxed than the Japanese consonant system.
There's also the very title of Chrno Crusade. It's been corrected since, which gives me hope that some of these guys will trust the fluent English speakers to know their own language's rules.
It might just be to hear how their voices sound like and if they can emote the way the Japanese guys want them to. Those are things I can get without knowing the language. |
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