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Stampeed Valkyrie
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So a couple of things pop into my head..
#1 where was he that the security guard was armed? a bank? Security guards are not LEO's I find it odd that the guard did not defer to the police.. unless it was not an option. Sometimes these guards are off duty LEO's,,, was this guy one? I'm not so sure Pokemon had anything to do with this... sounds like grasping at straws. Need more information.. probably not gonna get it. |
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Lord Oink
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Let me guess, cops should also shoot the gun out of someone's hand rather than the person. Just dodge the bullet and shoot their hand. No biggie. Real life isn't some action movie. Making those kinds of risky shots isn't logical. When someone uses a gun because they fear for their life it's supposed to be for a fatal shot. You don't shoot the legs and try to disable someone, the situation has escalated beyond that point. |
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TsukasaHiiragi
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Too little information to make any accessment, regardless of what happened someone died and thats sad. One thing is for sure that I can make an accessment on, America has a problem with guns - far too many fatal incidents over the years that could have been prevented with non-lethal force, America has a problem in this area. What Lord Oink says is partially true that sometimes lethal force is justified, but in quite a few high profile incidents has proven contrary to that fact, I guess we can all hope we're never in a situation like that :/
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RitsuLaw
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...I'm sorry, but what? How, in any way possible, is it alright for a 60-year-old playing a game on his phone to be fatally shot? I'm not american so I don't know much about how things work there, but, when there's a harmless trespasser that refuses to leave the place, don't you first call the police? And why even is this security guard armed? |
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AksaraKishou
Posts: 1411 Location: End of the World |
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Seems like it's fair game to shoot an old man 6 times if you get pissed at him. Not making any judgement of value. The guard might have been under a lot of pressure or it might have been a stressful day for him, but shanking an old dude cause he tried to run you over is a bit over the top... UNLESS they were on a they were on a narrow street and even then the guard was guarding something... he should have just gone inside <.< |
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KH91
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It shouldn't have come to that.
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TarsTarkas
 Posts: 5865 Location: Virginia, United States |
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If the Pokemon player was indeed trying to run over the armed security guard, yes then, spraying the drivers side of the vehicle with bullets is much more effective then trying to avoid being hit by a vehicle whose driver can adjust for the movements of the armed security guard.
It's not far fetched for the above scenario to be real, people do stupid and murderous stuff all the time over nothing. Just because they are annoyed, mad, or frustrated. Not saying the 60 year old was guilty, we won't know until the case goes to court. But there is nothing wrong in emptying your gun on someone trying to kill you. Only spectators, whose lives are not on the line, think you should risk your life. Case is really weird, perhaps both parties are at fault. Angry people make bad decisions. |
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AksaraKishou
Posts: 1411 Location: End of the World |
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Not saying that the guard is at fault but he was guarding a private property... just step inside the gate or something? don't think the guy was guarding the property in the middle of the road <.< |
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CandisWhite
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Quality security companies do train and arm their staff. This is why 'Mall Cop' is a derogatory phrase; Bad and/or cheap malls are famous for skimping out on security and hiring the companies that scrape the bottom of the barrel. A local mall did just that when new management took over: The old security team was well-paid, well-trained, properly armed and, thus, was promptly fired to be replaced by Mall Cops of the Mall Copiest variety. The fired staff was offered new jobs under the new company, for less pay and less safe working conditions; It was my understanding that not one person took them up on their offer. The mall tenants HATED the new company: Poorly paid and not fond of their jobs, the new guards were dicks and a bitch to work with; The old staff had been the perfect "castle guard", professional and warm. I would rather see trained and equipped professionals put in a security position than people with less training and less power. In this case, though, I think the supposedly professional security company screwed the pooch, as the contract for the neighborhood was for an UNARMED security guard; Either the company is a beta outfit or someone internally messed up Big Time and is now out of a job. I don't entirely blame Mr. Chen for his ignorance (He had little education), and do not think that he deserved to die, but do wonder why he did not listen after being told, many different times, that trespassing was a crime and why he thought that being at a, I assume, closed club at 11 pm would be okay? Why, after 28 years of being in the country and being a business owner, did he not speak English? From the information we have, I feel that the ability, on both sides, to effectively communicate could have solved a lot of problems, and saved a life. |
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relyat08
 Posts: 4125 Location: Northern Virginia |
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@AksaraKishou Depending on the private property, it might not have had a gate, or a fence. Or am I missing that detail? In Northern Virginia there are a ton of areas that are private, but still very easily accessible with a vehicle with no significant blockade surrounding them. Just signs. I found myself several miles into one such property recently for work. And they did have guards who were armed. On the other hand, are your bosses really going to be thrilled with your work as a guard if you don't actually do anything to stop someone aggressively coming at you and allow significant damage to their property? Probably not.
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AnimeLordLuis
 Posts: 1626 Location: The Borderlands of Pandora |
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I'll save my final judgment until the full story is made public but until than I will say this if Chan was warned MULTIPLE times to stay off the property than he shouldn't have been trespassing there ever again.
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SilverTalon01
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Uh, you're being ridiculously unreasonable. I'm guessing you have never fired a gun and watch too much tv. First, you're assuming that he actually dodged a van coming at him safely and had complete faith in his ability to do so. Second, even if what you're suggesting is possible, it is incredibly difficult. Your average cop, guard, or gun owner is not going to be able to make that shot. Expecting this guard to have that level of skill is just stupid. Third, doing what you're suggesting drastically increases the chance of a shot missing the van entirely. Even if he was able to claim legitimate self defense (which I am not going to weight in on at all), a person is responsible for every bullet they fire. If you fire a gun in self defense and a stray shot hits someone else, that isn't covered by self defense. So even if he had the ability to do so, it wouldn't be a wise choice unless he had the knowledge and presence of mind to know absolutely nobody else was anywhere remotely close. |
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leafy sea dragon
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It depends on the specific company the security guard works for. Some have easy access to the police, and some don't. Some are just there to look tough and/or escort troublemakers out of the establishment. Then, there was one of my previous jobs, which had security paid to do absolutely nothing at all (and were not even armed), and just there as a deterrent against shoplifters.
Trespassers are not always innocent--that's the thing. Sometimes, they are. But sometimes, they're not. In this case though, if it's true that the man had previous problems with walking into places he wasn't supposed to and they were having problems with his limited English, he may have been trespassing in most cases without realizing it, or he has a different idea of private space than other people in the community. (My family back in my parents' home country would often do things communally and shared most of their belongings, so a few of them who moved to the United States sometimes do things like buy the biggest possible cup from 7-Eleven and expected the whole group to drink from that one cup.)
That I can answer: It is quite easy to have lived in the United States for decades while learning very little English if such a person stays within the ethnic and linguistic bubble of his or her home country. Such a person would rarely interact with English speakers and thus would know little of the language. Assuming his native language is Chinese, guessing by the name (though not sure which kind), well, the local Chinatown can serve as a nice effective barrier against the outside world. There's a Chinese community near me, Monterey Park, CA. There was an outrage a couple of years back when a Ralphs supermarket opened up within it (which is your normal American grocery store stocking normal American groceries), and it divided the city. On one side were the non-Chinese, who were glad they didn't have to drive to the next town over to buy non-Chinese groceries; and on the other were the Chinese (well, a lot of them anyway--some preferred to stay quiet and keep as low profiles as possible, and some didn't care), who felt threatened by its presence. (That is, the city is popular with Chinese immigrants because it is so homogenously Chinese in its restaurants, drug stores, markets, shopping, and culture that they don't have to change their lifestyles much to live there.) |
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