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Buster Blader 126
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I suspect that they negotiated with and obtained permission from the the creators (CLAMP, Nightow) directly, ala Vertical with Prophecy. Them having a prior relationship from having released their earlier works (CCS/Clover/Chobits, Trigun) helps. |
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psiho66
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Wait what they censored a Seinen manga, for who ??? and in the did it in the 2010s no less, are the people at Viz [expletive] drunk ?? how are the original publishers allowing a dumb American company to censor their manga. |
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teferi
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Neither of these titles are adult-restricted in the US either. They just not rated at all. Content warnings don't restrict who a retailer can sell manga/anime to unless it's porn.
Because it's easier to sell something that doesn't have "THIS HAS SEXUAL CONTENT IN IT DON'T LET YOUR KIDDOS READ IT' plastered on it. |
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ZeetherKID77
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Does this mean Seven Seas might be able to finish Hayate X Blade for once?
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Kadmos1
Posts: 13571 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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I am not a fan of censorship, as are many people. For more seinen-type (not demographics but content wise), leave it uncensored but put those "parental warning"-type shrink wraps around a volume.
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katscradle
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Did they change the actual age rating of Bokurano Ours or just put advisories on it? I know it’s the Sig line but, last I checked it was suggested Teen+. Portus is one M title I know that the gore was a problem for some reason. NANA was censored in the Shojo Beat magazine run (series was raised to the M eventually) but, the volumes not. Although volume 4 is missing some content and there is lots of retouching throughout the series too but, that was due to trademarks issue. Yes, Dragonball/DBZ has been a yes, no, yes again thing. VIZ should probably be redoing some of it again now as well. One of the people who worked on it for them plead guilty for child porn and is going to jail.
Why things get changed is very complicated and it’s not even just an American practice. Economics play a factor. But, it’s also about current environment, creator wishes and even sometimes the people involved working on a title. One example more recently I recall an editor at VIZ talking about coming across something racist in the script for a volume. After explaining the concern to the artist they let them change it. That’s the thing artists and JP publishers are consulted on this stuff and will have their preferences and aims, signing off for a number of reasons too. In fact sometimes the JP side will bring something up first. People involved with the license may not always agree with a decision either but, will always respect the creator’s wishes, as they should. Nobody wants to get involved in controversy, legal troubles or forbid even violently attacked over something in a book. Or similar bad things happen to one of their business partners or customers. VIZ like other publishers have an audience in many countries so the cultural and legal issues are hardly uniform too.
I hadn’t heard of that instance. I hardly keep up anymore. I used to buy in addition to the Japanese volumes a lot of English editions to support favourite titles being available to more people. But, yes I stopped buying a lot from English publishers because I’d get annoyed with the content changes made for the market or, just big missteps in quality. |
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TarsTarkas
Posts: 5865 Location: Virginia, United States |
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Yes, put it on the shrink wrap, and don't print it on the actual cover of the book. No one likes having Mature Warnings permanently printed on their books. |
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R. Kasahara
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All of this complaining about edits to manga that Viz has published has me remembering their most infuriating alteration (at least for me): cutting out an entire story arc from Maison Ikkoku during its initial run. Those chapters, which show how Godai got into college, wouldn't be localized until a bit later in Animerica Extra; before then, the jump between arcs was somewhat confusing. There is nothing at all objectionable in that arc, and I still have no idea why it wasn't included at first. Anyway, back on topic...
Another person here who thinks Viz's decision to pass on Silver Spoon was baffling. My best guesses are that: - Slice-of-life school comedies don't fit their profile. Yen Press is a better fit in this regard, so it makes sense that they would be the ones to eventually release it. - Like Shay Guy, I suspect that Viz had no idea how to market a slice-of-life school comedy, especially one by the creator of the very different Fullmetal Alchemist. Granted, this would be a tough thing to do for most any publisher. However, Right Stuf marketed His and Her Circumstances as being by "the director of Evangelion" back in the day, so it's not like there isn't a precedent for this sort of thing. As for why it took so long, it's possible that Viz hemmed and hawed on whether or not to pass on the rights. This could also be why To Love Ru took a long time to get released in English. |
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Alan45
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Posts: 9872 Location: Virginia |
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@R. Kasahara
Years ago, I read where Viz (possibly Trish Ladoux) stated that they left out what they called the "Ronin Arc" of Maison Ikkoku because they thought their audience could not relate to the idea of having to test into college or for that matter having to scrabble so hard to make it into any college. Apparently since this arc came almost immediately after the introductory chapters that they thought it would kill the series before it got well started. At any rate this was included when they published the second edition of the series, much as Dark Horse restored the missing Oh My Goddess! chapters when they reprinted the series unflipped. |
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jr240483
Posts: 4385 Location: New York City,New York,USA |
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it might give out hope that those future chapters of the new ruroni kenshin series would get release now that shonen jump have pretty much cut ties with the series and its author!!!
not necessarily. their is black lagoon which at times had ecchi content. then they did the omnibus edition for tengo tenge which was ABSOLUTELY and ecchi series! hell that series was far more explicit than to love ru and yuuna & the haunted hot springs when it came to ecchi content!! sure it wasn't an shonen jump title, but they indeed license outright ecchi / sexually explicit mangas. though its too bad their anime series let alone their ova's haven't fared well and might end up going down the kodomo no jikan route!!! |
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R. Kasahara
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Thanks for that info! And that's silly o_O; Tests like the SAT are a common experience for college applicants in the US, and even though school-specific tests are much rarer here than in Japan, they do exist (I'm not sure about other types of schools, but some art colleges require them). At any rate, it has long baffled me that such an important part of the overall story got cut in the first editions, but I do understand their concerns at the time regarding cancellation. Manga was much more of a niche category back in those days, and Viz has always been (as evidenced by all the examples in this thread) an overly cautious company. I never did pick up the second edition, but hopefully Viz will issue a third one. Maybe it'll happen if their latest attempt to publish Urusei Yatsura does well enough. |
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Alan45
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Posts: 9872 Location: Virginia |
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@R. Kasahara
I would also question the logic since Godai's entire experience at Maison Ikkoku would have just as foreign to most readers. I suspect it falls under "It seemed like a good idea at the time". I became aware that something was missing when they brought out the anime version on VHS. The first couple of tapes contained the missing content including the missing visit to the attic and seeing the clock mechanism. The comment at the time was that in the US, it is relatively easy to get into college but hard to stay if you don't study and that in Japan it was the reverse. I'm not sure if that is accurate though. |
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