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Chrono1000
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:17 pm
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I can understand why the producer of Senran Kagura wants to be optimistic but I think he is being naive. The people who hate fanservice games will never stop pushing for censorship and thinking that they will accept any reasonable compromise indicates that he doesn't know how bad things have gotten in the western world. The people who will never spend a penny on fanservice games believe they need to control what is allowed in those games and they don't care how gamers feel about it.
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Larryg
Joined: 07 Nov 2018
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:37 pm
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Northlander wrote: | Consent is all I ask for. It can be random. It can be out of nowhere. It can be just for the yuks... as long as everyone involved are fine with it. That's all I ask.
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When is this an issue?
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Random Name
Joined: 24 Nov 2016
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:49 pm
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Kadmos1 wrote: | Despite enjoying Seikon no Qwaser (though I really did not like all those yuri aspects) |
Real yuri or just played for fanservice? I never watched because it doesn't seem like something I would enjoy but if there is yuri I may need to give it a shot. I can't stand yuri just played for fanservice though.
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ninjamitsuki
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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Location: Anywhere (Thanks, technology)
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:15 pm
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Northlander wrote: | Consent is all I ask for. It can be random. It can be out of nowhere. It can be just for the yuks... as long as everyone involved are fine with it. That's all I ask.
Granted, shows -- or games or whatever -- with nothing BUT fanservice tend to be rather boring to me, but at least I don't mind their existence if the above request is honored. |
Preach. Also, don't involve kids in it.
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:36 pm
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MaskOfBrutality wrote: |
It is though sad that the stain of the Olympics and incoming 'stop sexy wahmen' visitors from countries who hate sexual content (but fine with blowing someones head off) are causing more and more harm to this type of content. Olympics yet to be good for any country in my lifetime, they just leave lasting damage.
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What lasting damage are you talking about?
Chrono1000 wrote: | I can understand why the producer of Senran Kagura wants to be optimistic but I think he is being naive. The people who hate fanservice games will never stop pushing for censorship and thinking that they will accept any reasonable compromise indicates that he doesn't know how bad things have gotten in the western world. |
Things have not gotten nowhere near as bad as you seem to think especially if we're comparing it to what went on in the 80's and 90's.
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Rednimue
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm
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firedragon54738
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:04 pm
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With out pointless sexual content Katsuragi will having nothing to do
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MaskOfBrutality
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm
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BadNewsBlues wrote: | What lasting damage are you talking about?
Cause the problems with Brazil and Sochi weren't entirely on the hands of the Olympics. |
Not entirely due to the Olympics agreed but they only enhanced the problems to large degrees. Countries see it as prideful but the cost is astronomical and the countries suffer as a result. Look at the dead legacy of London or the likes of Athens and Rio. People did not want them in place of actual funding for needed things but got em anyway and there is zero lasting benefit. Other than showing a non bias view of a country (see Russia World Cup this year) they cause severe economic harm felt for years if not decades.
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Lero
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:35 pm
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Heishi wrote: | I'd personally just get rid of Katsuragi and leave everything else in tact, but that's me. |
Agreed, remove Katsurashit and problems solved.
@BadNewsBlues
"It's hard to feel for durr"
Then just don't.
The point is the usual vocal minority imposing their "stop enjoying what I don't" to game devs and players because at the end of they day those whiny minorities are NOT the consumers the product is aimed at.
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rinrinsama
Joined: 21 Jan 2017
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:38 pm
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BadNewsBlues wrote: |
Things have not gotten nowhere near as bad as you seem to think especially if we're comparing it to what went on in the 80's and 90's.
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In 80' & 90' young people never defended any kind of censorship, today a important part allows and defends censorship, like you can see here and others similar discusion.
America is the only country, aside obviously from some regimes, that they "need" to adapt/localizate to their public.
Finally remember that america is the country who make more cultural influence to the rest of the world, so all this sh__ end leaking to the rest of the world. And the sad part is that young people roleplaying as socialists are doing the same sh__ that conservatives did in 80' &90'.
They are just puppets, so sad...
Oh but nowdays at least we can see sexual minorities well represented in media (like if the rest of the world dont do that without being moral hypocrisy and censor art and blame those who enjoy it.
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FenixFiesta
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:52 pm
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Myself and others have theorized this already about ecchi trends in Anime are going to be pruned thanks to the oncoming 2020 international focus due to hosting Olympics (as well as other international trading trends), either producers willingly cut back or Japanese based companies will quickly find themselves black listed for not "upholding social standards".
In the long run no one really "wins" and life goes on.
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Lynx Raven Raide
Joined: 01 Nov 2017
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:02 pm
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And this is when I finally lose it...
This is why we have ratings, isn't it, to let you know it contains, you know, mature content? I mean why the hell do we even have a ratings system if people are going to bitch about stuff, especially stuff they probably wouldn't even watch in the first place. If you don't like something, don't bitch about it, go off and do more of the stuff you are interested in instead and leave it for those who actually like it!
/Endrant
On a serious not, I do kinda agree with the writer here. Gratuitous fanservice for the sake of gratuitous fanservice does get annoying and distracting after a while, like what was the point of Sensei trying to peer up that figure's skirt in Planet With? If it has narrative meaning, go ahead, but if not, at least tone it down
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Chester McCool
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:03 pm
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BadNewsBlues wrote: | Which is bizarre cause nowhere in the article was it implied that America was to blame for the these changes mentioned in the article. |
I mean, it's already been established Sony now answers to their American branch and all content has to conform to American standards. Why a Playstation game series is having ecchi troubles shouldn't take that much thought into the source of the issue.
ririnsama wrote: | In 80' & 90' young people never defended any kind of censorship, today a important part allows and defends censorship, like you can see here and others similar discusion. |
People are okay with censorship as long as it fits their own views, sadly. I imagine we won't see any kind of pushback of this until a progressive's work is caught in the crossfire, much like the Steam censorship
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Jonny Mendes
Joined: 17 Oct 2014
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:43 pm
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FenixFiesta wrote: | Myself and others have theorized this already about ecchi trends in Anime are going to be pruned thanks to the oncoming 2020 international focus due to hosting Olympics (as well as other international trading trends), either producers willingly cut back or Japanese based companies will quickly find themselves black listed for not "upholding social standards".
In the long run no one really "wins" and life goes on. |
Anime probably have to be toned down a bit until the end of the Olympics. But after that all will return to normal, because most of the anime are still made with the Japanese market in mind, with the few exceptions of Chinese co-productions and Netflix co-productions. I can see American streaming companies censor some anime or not even license some (and yes, I know that anime are censored in Japanese TV but you can find it uncensored on some channels and on BDs) . But the Japanese market will probably be safe after the Olympics.
The big loser is the game market with the American branch of Sony calling the shots on what is permissible in a game. Murder and blood is OK but showing a bit of nudity or fan-service is just not permitted because can offend a small but loud crowd .
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Amiantos
Joined: 30 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:56 pm
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They better get creative with their lewd content then cause I can tell you there's a reason why those games sell and it's not the gripping narrative or gameplay.
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