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Blood-
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Ugh, I hate even thinking about this horrible event. I'd like to think it has lead other companies to improve their fire readiness equipment and procedures, but sadly, I'm probably being naive.
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Errinundra
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Please remember that America and Japan, along with countries like China and Saudi Arabia are among a minority of countries that still have judicial killings. I get that people are upset by the Kyoto Animation slayings - I am too - but please refrain from calling for a violent reprisal.
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Zimmer
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Hard to believe it's already been 10 months.
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gridsleep
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Not much mention that fewer if any would have died if Kyoto city had proper building codes that required firewalls, firedoors, and sprinkler systems in business buildings. The city's responsibility in this still needs to be investigated, and other structures evaluated to determine exactly how many death traps there are, of which occupants are completely unaware. I would not be surprised if none of that ever comes to pass.
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Banjo
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finally justice is near.. as a believer I'm certain hell gonna be more than enough punishment.
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Gurren Rodan
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It's a little creepy, yeah, but not surprising; emotions are running very high regarding this incident, and strong emotions tend to impact sound reasoning. Personally, I'd agree that the death penalty is appropriate, but there's no need to drag it out. Just sentence him and be done with it, and bring this chapter of the tragedy to an end. Kyoto Animation is doing their best to move forward, and the rest of us need to do the same.
That IS good news; hopefully this has long-term benefits for the medical industry. We need all the good news we can still get from this incident. |
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Blood-
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Hear, hear. I was shocked to learn about Kyoto's lax building requirements. Especially baffling in a country prone to earthquakes. |
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Sailor Sedna
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Good, glad to hear they finally locked that inhumane, cold hearted bastard up.
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TarsTarkas
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While you, seemingly, do not like the death penalty, calling them judicial killings is insulting. Criminals kill people, the legal system executes people. Yes, technically, they are interchangeable. Nonetheless, calling them killings implies evil intent. This arsonist mass murderer planned to kill as many people as possible. He is an evil man who had evil intent. If the Japanese legal system decides for the death penalty for these horrible mass deaths, then it will be a legal execution of a mass murderer, not a killing. Judicial killings also seems more in line for describing the actions of other unsavory countries use of the legal system to take out political opponents, members of the press, and other actors deemed a threat to the regime or other types of government. |
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Blood-
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Here's my problem with dismissing the arsonist as a monster and his act as evil: while emotionally satisfying on a certain level, using that characterization isn't helpful in trying to prevent acts like this in the future.
If you frame this simply in the terms of evil and monsters, then the only defense you can offer is prayer. Let's pray that something like this doesn't happen again. For a non-religious person like myself, that's not a particularly satisfying response. I frame these incidents in the context of mental health issues, not good and evil. That way, you can actually try to formulate a defense that is based on research, medicine and science. Our understanding of human behaviour and mental health is unfortunately still pretty primitive. However, you can imagine that as time goes by, as knowledge accumulates, as we move forward by trial and error, we may eventually get to a point where we can possibly identify those who might commit acts like this ahead of time and in doing so, perhaps be able to provide some kind of intervention/treatment that would preclude a person from wanting to do such a thing. That to me seems like a more fruitful approach rather than just dismissing something as "evil." Just so there is no confusion: nothing I said above in any way mitigates my sense of horror at what happened or in any way suggests the arsonist is not responsible for his actions and should not be held accountable (unless he was experiencing a psychotic break with reality at the time and literally had no idea what he was doing, which I don't believe was the case). |
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Kougeru
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Alan45
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@Blood-
He is a monster and he is evil. I would recommend that he be put down much like a rabid dog. He probably is also mentally ill, but that no longer matters. Once someone qualifies as a mass murderer, neither treatment or rehabilitation is an option. He is too much of a danger to the community to ever be let go. It might serve some useful purpose to study him to see why he got that way but I doubt he is any different than other similar obsessed individuals. The problem with harping on the mental health (or lack thereof) of mass murderers is that it tends to stigmatize all people with mental problems, the vast majority of whom are not a danger to the community. Better access to mental health care might help some. However, the really evil SOBs out there are not going to seek treatment. Even if someone notices and reports such an individual, there are serious limits to what can be done unless they are an immanent threat. |
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Cam0
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I couldn't agree more. You managed to explain my position so well that I have nothing to add.
The idea would be to try and prevent these "evil SOBs" from ever going down that path in the first place. |
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Gina Szanboti
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Why is the government determining where the donations go? Shouldn't KyoAni be doing that? People didn't donate to the government.
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Blood-
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@ Alan45 - I am mindful of the fact that the vast majority of people who suffer from mental health issues are not violent and so there is a chance of stigmatization when discussing incidents like this. But discussion is needed. The issue of mentally afflicted people committing heinous acts isn't going to be addressed if we as a society decide talking about what drives people to do things like this is too "sensitive" within the context of mental health.
As a society, we can only do two things to prevent such horrible events from happening: 1) create a security apparatus so all encompassing (armed guards at every building entrance, pervasive camera surveillance and whatever else we can come up with) and 2) study those who do these things to see if there is some scientific/medical way to intervene in others before they act. Option 1 is both impractical and not particularly appetizing for a non-totalitarian society. That leaves option 2. Go to scientists/mental health specialists and say, "Hey, we're having a problem with evil people doing evil things... do you have any ideas?" and they'll look at you blankly, then refer you to a local priest. They HAVE to be involved. If we are gong to make any headway in stopping these kinds of acts, we HAVE to treat them for what they are: horrible tragedies caused by people whose minds are broken. Also note that my point has nothing to do with rehabilitating or treating people like the arsonist after they have done what they've done. It is solely focuses on preventing future acts by others. |
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