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mdo7
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So what, I can say the same for Digimon and Monster Rancher and yet we have both of them getting uncut Japanese with English subtitles releases in the US. So that shouldn't stop people from letting kids watching them in Japanese with English subtitles.
And what's wrong with that? Robotech fans found out about the Macross thing and yet we still have Macross with a new dub courtesy of ADV Films back in mid 2000's, and still include the Japanese audio track and voices. That didn't stop Robotech fans accessing that version. There are Robotech fans that probably bought Orguss on blu-ray because of the connection with Macross/Robotech, oh and the fact that Carl Macek revealed that he wanted Orguss in Robotech but was only settled on the main three that make up Robotech.
Hence why we have streaming for, hell why not put the Japanese version on Crunchyroll and let see how many kids that watched it dubbed, are willing to watch it subbed. We see these same kids watching mainstream shonen anime, so wouldn't it make sense to put Pokemon subtitled version on there too.
Uh, do you have evidence of that? Because I find that hard to believe, many people that watch Pokemon back then and today are probably watching other anime today. Like I wouldn't be surprised if the same people that are watching Pokemon as of this post are also the same audiences watching One Piece, Naruto, My Hero Academia, etc.... So if they're watching anime other then Pokemon but in Japanese, then I think they can handled the Japanese name in Pokemon. I mean they already have online resources when it comes to comparing English and Japanese names. So it's not hard that to find information about comparison between English and Japanese version.
Again, how many Pokemon fans are also watching My Hero Academia, Dragonball, Naruto, and One Piece also. Because if they're watching them in Japanese. I think they're going to want to demand and watch the Japanese version of Pokemon. Oh and before you say something else. I did some research and reading and it turns out that subtitles (& closed caption) can be beneficial for kids' reading skill (that include anime and foreign-language stuff): Why children should be watching TV with the subtitles on The Guardian article: how subtitles/closed caption could boost children's literacy If kids are watching anime with English subtitles, then Pokemon shouldn't be an exception. So there's a big benefit of having kids anime with Japanese audio and English subtitles included can be helpful for your kids reading skill. Last edited by mdo7 on Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Nipasu
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I wonder if it's because the Pokémon dubs are heavily engrained into American pop culture, and many people associate the characters then heir English names. Regarding Pokémon dubs, I've noticed that people focus mainly on the earlier seasons when discussing cuts and edits I haven't seen many people bringing up the modern Pokémon dubs in any topics about edited dubs. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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mdo7
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Regarding the part I bolded. That's what happened to Gatchaman (when it came out in the US as Battle of the Planets/G-Force: Guardians of Space), it took about 30 years for the series to get a English subtitle translation (along with a new dub that is faithful to it's Japanese counterpart), my point is that it's better to late then never when it comes to anime getting a uncut English subtitle release. Hell, we just got Minky Momo on Crunchyroll (the first 30 episodes so far as of this post) subtitled 40 years later after Harmony Gold tried to make it available back in the pre-streaming era of the 1980's with no success. As I said, if it has to take many years for that anime to be available, then so be it. I would like to see The last Unicorn getting a Japanese-language release given that Studio Ghibli animators were involved with the animation before Ghibli was even formed. But I'll say this, there are kids anime that do get subtitled release one way or another. Pokemon should also be part of this "subtitled option" movement. |
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onpufan
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I can only speak for myself but that's probably because the early seasons are the only dub of the series I've personally seen. When I switch to the Japanese version I re-watched it from the start so I had knowledge of the stuff I had seen dubbed to compare it to.. Anything the later seasons dub did I only know about because I heard it through the grapevine like when they banned an episode of Sun & Moon in the US over a blackface scare. |
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Avec ou Nous
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Looking through Diskotek's releases, I've noticed all the kids stuff they released sub are essentially dead franchises. There is no new Medarot, Monster Farm, Mon Colle Knight, Kyattou Ninden Teyandee, or any other stuff still being made in Japan. A subtitled release is the last chance for anyone to wring out the last bit of money from a dead franchise. Pokemon is alive in healthy so it has no need to release a subbed version. Digimon appears to be the only exception, but their releases also seem to lean into the adult audience even in America with an uncut English dub (never seen it, no idea how uncut it actually is) which panders to people nostalgic for it. Considering how much Digimon merchandise and media is marketed towards adults in Japan these days, trying to market Digimon in the west without acknowledging the adult audience would be disastrous compared to Pokemon which can get away with it since it's such a giant media franchise and doesn't need to cater to any adult fans and can strictly remain a kids. But Digimon is the lone exception of these franchises that decided to grow and age with it's initial fanbase rather than stay rooted being marketed for kids. Well, Medarot did try to do that with Girls Mission back in 2016 but it wasn't very successful.
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mdo7
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Regarding the bold part, although that is a good point. But I have something else that I forgot to mention in my previous post: The Pretty Cure/PreCure franchise Ever since I think Healin' Good became the first PreCure to get a simulcast in the west via Crunchyroll. I think subsequent PreCure has since then been on Crunchyroll and also simulcast in the US. And as of the simulcast and not counting the first PreCure, Smile, and Doki Doki; a lot of the PreCure titles on Crunchyroll don't have any English dub, just subtitled only. And I have to assume there maybe kids particularly little girls with sufficient reading skill that maybe watching these PreCure titles. That one is the only children anime that has been simulcasted on Crunchyroll. So Pretty Cure is the only children anime franchise that has simulcasted, subtitled, and have received no English dub (other then the 3 I mentioned above). Speaking of simulcast, none of the current Pokemon anime has gotten a simulcast broadcasting despite all well-known mainstream shonen anime get simulcast in the US and Japan. The only exception is Pokemon Evolutions (that one was the only Pokemon anime to get a simulcast on Youtube). So people who watch Pokemon and also watch simulcast anime on Crunchyroll are going to take notice of this, and the thought of simulcast Pokemon anime has not escape the fanbase: Reddit thread #1: What would you think about a subbed simulcast of the Pokemon anime? (from Pokemon Reddit) Reddit thread #2: The Case For Simulcasts: Why The Pokemon Anime Should Adopt Online Streaming & Same-Day Broadcasts (another Reddit topic that brought up the case for simulcasting Pokemon anime and using other simulcast anime cases as evidence) I mean Pokemon fans aren't stupid, they already know about other anime outside of Pokemon and when they know about simulcast, that also raises question amongst the fandom. That's why Pokemon Company International/USA and Nintendo really baffle me and it doesn't make for them to not join the simulcast train when other well-known mainstream anime are getting them too. We've already seen mainstream shonen anime like My Hero Academia, Naruto, One Piece, Dragonball, etc... getting simulcast in the US the same time it's broadcasted in Japan. Hell, even Digimon Adventure 2020 reboot was simulcasted in both Japan and USA. I don't know why Pokemon Company USA and Nintendo are so behind when it comes to both simulcast and making subtitled version available and why is it so hard for that companies to not make the latest episodes available simultaneously. |
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Nipasu
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Since Crunchyroll is aimed at older audiences, I doubt little kids are the ones supporting Pretty Cure on that platform (or Anime Digital Network) since the series has a large adult fanbase. Also, your second claim is untrue: Crunchyroll is currently simulcasting Chibi Maurko Chan, and that's a kid's show too. Edit: I identified who you're quoting. Errinundra. |
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mdo7
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We don't have a report on who's watching anime on Crunchyroll, or who are the audience demographic makeup on who's watching anime on Crunchyroll. But if CR are already has kids anime on their catalog, that means there are a sizable kid audiences that are watching those kids anime on CR. Otherwise, why would Crunchyroll be picking up and streaming kids anime for what reason, I mean few adults and teens would not watch an anime made for 6-9 years old kids (which Pretty Cure is made for). I've also encountered other kids anime on CR, so why would CR be picking this up if CR is aimed at older audiences for? And about Chibi Maruko Chan, I wasn't aware of Crunchyroll simulcast streaming that show until you just told me, I checked and to my surprise, you're right. Thanks for that information. |
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Nipasu
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Because they also appeal to the older audiences, too. |
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light turner
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Also worth pointing out Pretty Cure only started getting a simulcast after the failure of Glitter Force. They tried to market it to kids here first and when it didn't pan out they went for the sub treatment.
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Nipasu
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The last Gf dub came out in 2017. Crunchyroll started simulcasting the newest season (Healin Good back then) in June 2020---the week it returned from hiatus. |
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Vizo
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I'm so on the fence on whether I should watch this. The original anime's ending is fitting and a good jumping off point. I like how they mixed up the gym challenges for gen 7 and 8. How does Horizons compare?
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mdo7
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Then how are you so sure that older audiences are watching Pretty Cure? Do you have proof, how are you so sure kids could be also watching Pretty Cure too? How are you so sure of this since you don't have any data or information that back up your statements? I'm not sure if I should accept whatever statements (or opinions) that you just told me.
I think this is around the same time younger kids have probably already started to watch anime in subtitled form (my niece when she was 8 years old can validate my observations). I mean at that same time My Hero Academia already gained traction in the US amongst both older audiences and younger kids (the latter which is probably the majority of MHA's audiences), and I have to assume the younger kids were probably watching MHA in subtitled format before it got dubbed in English. So we don't know how big the 8-10 years old demographic in the US that are probably watching anime in subtitled format already given that there are 8-10 years old kids with above-average reading skills/levels. |
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Errinundra
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We're getting a bit off-topic here.
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