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NEWS: Missouri Man Pleads Guilty to Possession of 'Cartoon' Child Pornography


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penguintruth



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:48 pm Reply with quote
I guess life begins at pencil line.
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Hawkwing



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:01 pm Reply with quote
Oh wow, the retards strikes back?

They're not real children, when will people understand this? Rolling Eyes

If this is so bad, why do they not ban violent video/computer games, ban violent movies, ban music and books with illicit themes and ban American porn movies with a school setting?
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Mr. sickVisionz



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:11 pm Reply with quote
His wife snitched him out? The must have been some pretty hardcore material.
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hojo 360



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:12 pm Reply with quote
So just for owning Cartoon' Child Pornography <------------a lot of anime out there not real stuff this guy gets to sit in jail for 3 years??? Good old USA puting our tax dollars to work and by that i mean wasting them on as far as i can see a harmless man i mean if he had real Child Pornography and or was harming real girls id say good let him sit in there for life but its a damn Cartoon not real fake lol i cant wait to see how nice he will be after the 3 years maybe after the jail time he will become the real harmful person Rolling Eyes a cop can kill a guy by mistake and get less then a year but a guy who owns Cartoon' Child Pornography gets 3 years seems very fair Confused
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Misopup



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:18 pm Reply with quote
I understand that this guy’s prolly a sorry-assed, pathetic excuse for a human, and that his WIFE’S the one who narc’d on him to the P.D., but, from a Civil and Constitutional Rights viewpoint, this conviction is VERY disturbing, to me. Particularly so, when the statue he was convicted under reads: “(B) is obscene”.
Obscene…as defined by WHOM?
Wasn’t that the question that Larry Flynt’s lawyers used, to beat his obscenity rap, back in the 70’s, for his publishing of “Hustler”?
“Obscene” is just too much of a fuzzy word to drop someone in the slammer over….
Do I need to hide my manga copies of “Moonphase” and “Mahoromatic”? And, oh dear! My “Summer Wars” DVD will prolly get the book thrown at me for depicting nekkid kids running around in the bath!
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11G4GUNOT



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:44 pm Reply with quote
2005, 2008 x2, 2010 and 2011 now this lolwut
title 18 usc 1466A one year later and still obscene lolwut
Quote:
it is illegal
NOPE forgot Affirmative Defense. oh wait
another fail also protected by 1st amendment and retarded no freedom
/end

Sunday Silence wrote:

So pretty much if you get caught with one random image of what appears to be an underage looking girl you downloaded from 4chan, your akin to being a serial rapist who likes to fiddle young kids. And note that there is A LOT of manga and anime out there released in the USA that could get you into trouble by some overzealous prosecutor looking to add a sexual predator notch to his belt.

i cringed of the 4chan posts with yours like #73231910

also moar sweden
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ARC-1300



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:45 pm Reply with quote
I still can't get over the fact that people sat down in a courtroom and discussed this case. All those precious tax dollars down the drain.

Are people really getting fiction and reality confused?or chalking them to the same thing?

Why not spend those precious resources,time,effort,and use it to catch the real criminals?
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Hiro94



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:45 pm Reply with quote
ya this whole protecting virtual children is just nonsense.So does this mean if i draw a picture of Timmy Turner blowing Rudolph the rednosed raindeer im a sex offender pedophile?
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Hagaren Viper



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:46 pm Reply with quote
I love how everyone is jumping to conclusions about how the wife hated he husband and wanted to get out of the releationship, but not making any similar jumps with the husband potentially being actually into real children or reading looking at those images instead of real photos as a loophole...

Don't JUST defend the guy because he's an anime fan. You can't even theorize either way because there's so little information on either of them.

Frankly whatever was going on, I don't blame the wife, especially if she didn't know much about anime/manga. Weather the guy was into the 'real deal' or not, that can come as quite a shock and potentially have some unfortunate implications.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:48 pm Reply with quote
ArthurFrDent wrote:
Hiro94 wrote:
... i mean if this stuff was illegal then how is Rightstuff selling hentai dvd's that have under age characters...


They don't... from what I may have seen with any hypothetical dvd that might contain something loosely termed as 'hen' [hows that for dissembling?]

right up front they will say anything on the disc depicts characters at least 18 years old...

it's the imported stuff that doesn't contain the banners. I'm sure there's plenty of doujin that cross this line because they aren't translated or released in English, so there isn't any warnings or legal info on them...

so then the court looks exclusively at the imagery without context.


This is true. They even go so far as to alter descriptions and change lines to adjust characters that might be considered underage. For instance, high schools will be called universities. Obviously, this isn't going to fool anyone that knows better, but it seems to be sufficient to allow sales without any problem.


Misopup wrote:
I understand that this guy’s prolly a sorry-assed, pathetic excuse for a human, and that his WIFE’S the one who narc’d on him to the P.D., but, from a Civil and Constitutional Rights viewpoint, this conviction is VERY disturbing, to me. Particularly so, when the statue he was convicted under reads: “(B) is obscene”.
Obscene…as defined by WHOM?
Wasn’t that the question that Larry Flynt’s lawyers used, to beat his obscenity rap, back in the 70’s, for his publishing of “Hustler”?
“Obscene” is just too much of a fuzzy word to drop someone in the slammer over….
Do I need to hide my manga copies of “Moonphase” and “Mahoromatic”? And, oh dear! My “Summer Wars” DVD will prolly get the book thrown at me for depicting nekkid kids running around in the bath!


That is the real sticking point with things like this. "Obscene" is a fluid concept that depends on all sorts of things, such as where you are, the opinions of the judge, the minds of the jury, etc. Unfortunately, lawmakers tend to leave things broad so it falls on the next guy to figure out what the law means and they don't have to try to explain it.

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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:49 pm Reply with quote
Hagaren Viper wrote:
Don't JUST defend the guy because he's an anime fan. You can't even theorize either way because there's so little information on either of them.


So long as it's only drawn anime porn, ZERO child porn, and he's never committed any sexual offense, I will defend him. So far the case seems to be that, so unless new evidence shows up, we got with what we have.
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firedragon54738



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:22 pm Reply with quote
Well the lesion here is to not have a wife and hide your lolis
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:36 pm Reply with quote
Sunday Silence wrote:
TitanXL wrote:
RyanSaotome wrote:
Theres a loving wife.


And people mock otaku for having 2D waifus. I doubt they have to deal with this.


Till the computer crashes or the production company does something stupid.


This is what external HDD's are for

penguintruth wrote:
I guess life begins at pencil line.


badum dum tish
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Mune



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:40 pm Reply with quote
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If I knew anyone being prosecuted for this, I would use the Genshiken defense.
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Soundmonkey44



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:56 pm Reply with quote
Good to know theres people out there looking out for those poor fictional children. Now lets finally get around to arresting all those sickos that draw R34 Of Disney characters & My Little Pony.

Cuff em all I say! Laughing

But on a serious note, while I do think its silly to send a man to jail for 3 years when he didn't even do anything to actually hurt anyone, I can't say I feel sorry for him, I do however feel sorry for his wife, it would be a bit shocking to find something like that on your significant others PC. Although she could have easily talked it out with him instead of calling the cops. Or just gotten a giant pan and beat him till he promised not to look at such content any more, whichever would have worked best.
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