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Monster in a box
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I remember thinking the first Rebuild had some, but it's been too long to remember what. One of the Angel's was pretty cool. The Evas themselves look really bad, especially when they're just sitting around. I don't get what the point of making them CG is during those scenes, since they're actually animated during a couple of the fight scenes.
I'm pretty against CG in general, but some things make it work. As glaring as it was in Eden of the East, it fit with the art style somehow. I'm 9 episodes into Ghost Hound, and I feel like most of the CG in that has been tasteful too. |
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_V_
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Not really. While it is indeed accentuated in Rebuild 2, to previously unseen levels, I would point to the elevator scene between Rei and Shinji in episode 17, which outright causes her to blush, with near-romantic confusion.
There is no deep symbolism in Eva, the creators said so. Every first-year philosophy major undergrad felt a driving need to write endless papers extolling the symbolism....which the creators themselves never intended to convey. As for pleasing Rei fans....again, this isn't *that* different from the original series. Is everyone just "remembering" the original Eva series as being darker, because the part that stuck out in their mind was the really dark stuff that happened near the end? The middle was like this. |
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Shenl742
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Depends on whether or not one's interprepation of what is "deep" or "symbolic" is the same as the creators or not. |
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Zin5ki
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You may say what you wish about the symbolic content of Evangelion or the lack thereof, though it is urged that you do not put forward so inattentive and misguided a claim as this when doing so. |
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_V_
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Well, how many professional academic articles on Evangelion can you name? There were too many armchair academics. The general criticism is that by hyping up that "Eva is deep and full of symbolism!".....that didn't give it a wider audience, or raise its "pedigree" in academic circles. If anything, it made mainstream academia consider anime a trivial point of endless debate, and scared off the casual fans. In terms of Rebuild at least, it seems that they cut out a lot of the extraneous symbols this time around. Please, there is no need for an overload here. Let us handle this with quiet dignity, and grace. |
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Sailor S
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Wow Erin, I can't help but feel a bit of sympathy towards you. With the same review you get people berating you for being too soft on a title AND too harsh. Proof positive that you can't win for losing sometimes!
I'm a bit of a Vampire Knight fan, although I don't list it in my top 10 or anything. I enjoyed reading it in Shojo Beat (sure do miss that publication), and I enjoyed it in the collected manga after Shojo Beat ended. I haven't gotten around to watching the anime yet, although if the first half follows the events of the first half of the manga, then I can see it being a bit on the meh side. I found things got more interesting in the second half, when spoilery things happened and the story changed direction a bit. |
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Shenl742
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I'll more or less just repeat what I thought last time you were on the podcast: Are those really issues? I think society will keep marching on regardless of what people think about Eva. Hell, anime fandom will keep marching on regardless.
If you say so...
Not really in my opinion. If you ask me the only thing they really cut were some some filler episodes. Whether or not you think it's "symbolic" or not, the Rebuild films are still full of what I, and I'm sure many others, would call "Grade-A Weird Sh!t". Such as Kaworu emerging from a coffin (on the Moon!) at the end of 1.0 or the total spoiler[Mini-Instrumentality] that happend at the end of 2.22. And both me and other fans our pretty much free to speculate or at least go, "What the hell was that all about?" as much as we please. At least until the next movie comes along and (hopefully) explains away what happened, no matter how many exploding crosses are involved and may or may not be relevant to what's going on. [quote]Please, there is no need for an overload here. Let us handle this with quiet dignity, and grace.[/qoute] Things seem more or less dignified and graceful so far if you ask me...[/spoiler] |
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The Eva Monkey
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New Theatrical Edition is soooooo pedestrian compared to original series. Shinji has massive balls fo sho. And Rei is slowly turning into his perfect girlfriend. I hope that makes the incest overtones even more uncomfortable. I think Unit-01's energy arm should have been a badass axe like Optimus Prime's in Transformers. That would have been totally BEAST.
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Psycho_Despair
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I am surprised that we are not talking about the scene with the Dummy Plug beating up the American Eva Unit.
One thing I like about Eva is that we are given the chance to speculate and even come up with crazy theories. Just let our Imagination run to its fullest. |
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what exactly else was there to talk about it that wasn't already unambiguously clear enough? |
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The Eva Monkey
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It played out almost exactly the same way as in the original series. The only difference was that Asuka was in Touji's place. It's still a Japanese version beating up on an American version. |
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Megiddo
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I thought in the original the American Unit 0X randomly blew up during a test or something?
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I really don't want to turn the show into a game of Mad Libs. I really don't think there's anything to criticize though; I think it perfectly captured the tone of the original series. My only problem is with the reaction of some, who even in the original series had a driving need to make Eva "happy"; I mean even in the spinoff manga set in happy alternate universes like SIRP (at least Campus Apocalypse tried to include some angst). But conversely, there are those who always saw the series as nothing more than commercialism, not quite getting that all the "fanservice! fanservice!" was meant to be ironic. So as Sailor Stardust said above, its surprising that there is such a broad spectrum of reactions. I thought it was note perfect. I mean either way, the "Rebuild of Evangelion" movie series is only half over; isn't it a little premature to decide that this must be "the Happy Eva"? Even the original series had a bunch of plot twists in store *after* this point in the narrative.
As said above, it actually played out just as it did in the original series (other than Asuka being the pilot) Eva Unit-04 and Eva-03 were produced in America. Eva-04 "blew up" while testing a new energy system that would remove the 5 minute time limit (short answer) Long answer is that Rebuild truncated the explanation a bit (though its the same thing), and the episode was a bit more detailed, but they explain they were trying to finally reverse-engineer the power-organ that Angels use (while Evas are clones of Angels, they could never get the power-organ right; it was too complex; hence the 5 minute time rule and extension cords). They tried to use Eva-04 as a testbed for this, and Eva-04 along with the entire Area 51 base blew up. well, not "blew up" -- in the series there was this shadow-Angel that existed in a pocket dimension (cut from Rebuild) and in the next episode Eva-04 disappears, and they explain that it probably opened up a pocket dimension just like that and the entire base was lost, it just disappeared) At any rate once Eva-04 "blew up", the boarish US government panicked and demanded that Eva-03 be shipped off of its soil and to Japan.....which is pretty arrogant; "oh crud, these things can explode!....you take it!" Weird thing is that in Rebuild 1, they established that Angels just fall apart into blood and goo when they die; in the original series when he fought the energy-arm Angel (with Toji and Kensuke) the Angel's body was left intact, so they could reverse-engineer its power organ. We're not sure how they're doing that in Rebuild, but they *did* have Ritsuko make shifty eyes and say that Eva-04 was involved in a test for an experimental power system....though she of course denied involvement. [/quote] |
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Psycho_Despair
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It is just fun to talk about it, is it not? |
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Saturn
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That's not really surprising-- whether Vampire Knight is mediocre or not, it has a much wider appeal for youngish people: it's shiny, new, and light on the braincells. Kinda the same reason Twilight is more popular than War and Peace, I reckon, or the reason most people prefer Lucky Charms to Kashi Go Lean. One's a lot better FOR you, but it's hard to resist all that brightly-colored sugar. |
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