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RoverTX
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There not going to buy it either if they can get it for free with no social, finical, or legal consequences....
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Jarmel
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Pirate copy /= lost sale |
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enurtsol
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This bill also goes after their purses - the same way WikiLeaks got squeezed when US-business-dealing web ads companies (like Google) and financial/pay/donation/money-wiring companies (like Paypal and banks) washed their hands off WikiLeaks. Really, any company that wants to do business in the US would have to follow if this becomes US law. It'll be harder to get money to pay for the bandwidth.
If it's copyrighted in Japan, then it's copyrighted in America --and vice versa-- as both countries are co-signees of the Berne Convention on Copyrights, meaning they would respect each other copyrights.
As they say, ya can't legislate morality! 
And ya guys are worried about the Tokyo Youth Bill. Worry about your own backyard first. If this passes, then ya can't blame how the Tokyo-ites could pass such a bill. |
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RoverTX
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@[Jarmel] Thats not what I am arguing. I am saying easy availability through piracy has the same if not greater effect on the commercial viability of a anime series, then it not having a fast release of any form on this side of the pacific. So again I am not saying every pirated download is a lost sale, merely that the fact that pirated copies costing nothing(in any way) depresses sales in a similar way to a show being delayed. One wrong does not right a possibly stupid business decision.
I wasn't saying to legislate morality, merely that people need to think how there daily actions, and interaction with peers might feed into such pirate mentalities and look at how you can help change things |
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Daemonblue
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There are tons of reasons why this is a bad idea, and it has been explained by several people already, so I'll just throw out this statement, would you really want the people who "accidently" took down 84,000 websites leaving a message that they had child porn on them dealing with what is effectively an internet blacklist? Let us not forget these are also the same people that want to block Wikileaks because their dirty laundry was aired out and the skeletons in their closets were let out.
I guess some people like the idea of "guilty until proven innocent." |
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enurtsol
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I was just making a point how difficult what you just said is.
Heck, look at China. People everywhere are complaining how prevalent counterfeit products are in China (and before anyone wonders, counterfeiting is theft of intellectual property). If you have a problem with counterfeiting, then you should also have a problem with this. Yet, it's tough to change people's minds, even when China now has all kinds of counterfeiting laws and draconian punishments. |
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ikillchicken
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I'm always a bit cautious about giving the government the right to shut down websites. It does potentially open the door to limiting free expression. That said, I wouldn't rule it out by any means depending on who exactly makes the decisions and the exact criteria.
Right now, the problem is that piracy is running rampant. It's not that it needs to be eradicated completely. We just need to get a handle on it and push it back into the shadows a bit. If people really really want to pirate they'll find a way. That's fine though. They're the minority. It's the majority that just does it because it's easy. I mean, right now, you can type the name of an anime into a search engine and I bet you'll find a way to pirate it before a way to watch it legally.
Is it still 2005 where you live? Cause in the rest of the world it's 2011 and at least 90% of the anime that is released in R1 is also streamed for free or at worst, for a cheap monthly subscription. This argument you're making may have held some water at least in some individual cases in the past but it's now nothing but a false dilemma. Gone are the days where you had to choose between piracy and blind buying. I don't deny that piracy may have it's uses and justifications for unlicensed material but when it comes to licensed material, the claim that piracy helps the R1 industry is grossly antiquated. |
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Sunday Silence
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Let's put it in another way; How will the Japanese make a profit when ways to see said items are either severely restricted a/or hard to get? |
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Big Hed
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Because lack of legislation establishes precedent. I refer to what ikillchicken said just above, regarding piracy being driven largely by convenience: if people can find one unlicensed series online, they'll quite possibly look for more, irrespective of whether those are legally available for consumption by other means (in this case in the United States). In relation to that, it is unreasonable to refute PROTECT IP on the basis that some (whether that constitutes the majority or minority isn't relevant) titles will never receive exposure due to never being licensed. What about the ones that are? Is it okay to potentially undermine their sales by leaving the door open for piracy? Remember the old "You don't need anime" chestnut, which applies here not only to that medium alone but also to other IP being covered by the bill. Bear in mind too that the reality is that tons of stuff is made rapidly available these days through streaming. |
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DmonHiro
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I don't get what the big deal is. People will continue to make fansubs, and I will continue to download them. What happenes in America is of no concern to anyone but americans, or people who have their sites on American servers.
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yuetheguardian
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Unfortunatley i see this as no differnt then the paranoia about Radio, and VHS recorders, by recording a movie on TV its going to KILL the movie industry *rolls eyes* i think people are just opposed to things that are diferent and beyond their control, The music industry iskind of the same way, they want you not to play your cd for your friends other wise their stealing that music. Keep in mind the fansubing community far ou reaches the times of easily available internet. All i see it as is a dumbing down of the consumer so QUALITY does not matter because they have no prior experience with the product. I know we are in a gray zone with so many opions, but i will admit I feel guilty which my fansubs that i do download but i want to stay ahead of the curve on stuff that's coming out, i buy most everything i watch in fansubs that i enjoy and are liscenced here, For instance the moment Puella Magi Madoka magica is liscenced it is so mine, but if i had not watched it when it was released i would pass it up in the dvd section of right stuff, amazon or best buy. I know unfortunately i am in the minority but I always inform my anime club to always buy the official american releases, and have been an avid supporter of funimatrions Anime Classics and S.A.V.E. for my clubv mates who unfortunatly lack jobs. To sum up my thoughts evryone spins the doomdays scenerio when something gets out of their control but the anime industry will always be around in some form, nothing will be able to change that.
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RyanSaotome
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Yeah, its never going anywhere. I'm kind of surprised they even try to stop piracy after all the failures over the years the government has had with music downloads. Its just something you gotta accept will always be part of the internet, and the only thing you can really do outside of making America (or other countries) into communist states is to attempt to make it harder to download. |
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enurtsol
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Or aggregator sites or torrent index sites that use any company (web ads, financial transactions, donations, etc.) that does business in America. |
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Megiddo
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I'm curious whether American companies who have advertising on these sites (such as Google) could now be compelled by this law to terminate their advertising on such sites, even if the site's server is outside the USA.
Hmmmmm. |
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Melanchthon
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There was a major flamework about this on Fark last night, I was wondering if ANN would pick it up. Arguing internet piracy is about as effective as arguing evolution -- both sides are convinced they're right, won't change their minds, and it soon descends into a poop flinging contest. I would just like to say that I spend 1500 to 1800 a year on anime/manga/figyas, 95% of which are from shows I've first watched with fansubs.
On this proposed law: It clearly violates the Fourth Amendment, but that's never stopped Congress before (coughPatriotActcough). It's more powerful than COICA, but Ron Wyden is still a senator and very unlikely to lose his seat in Oregon. If he holds this one he probably can get it defeated like COICA. The two indexers I use are located Sweden (there is this cute little firefox extension called Flagfox that tells you what country the servers for you webpage are in), but most of the ddl sites are in 'Merica, although they haven't really been attacked yet. And what exactly are "ads" the bill speaks of? If does pass I just have to learn how to use IRC. So in other words this has zero effect on me. I'm much more concerned with the fact that it is fricking SNOWING outside again. Goddamn global warming. |
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