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labmember001
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Partially right; I was really just comparing the two lead cast, of which the American two have no experience. And of the 4 American non-leads, only 1 has decent experience and 1 has some experience. The Japanese cast has household names in there. The only one without massive anime dubbing experience is the guy playing Nick Fury, and he's been Samuel L Jackson's Japanese dub for years by the look of it. |
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Hitokiri Kenshin
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Araki, where do you live? Guessing you're a foreigner (US-wise) by your statements. But yeah, most American anime fans I know, even the sub-purists say they can't watch Marvel or DC characters in languages other than English. Might need to give this a shot after con.
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silentjay
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The only English actor that hasn't any voice acting experience is Jennifer Carpenter, who plays Black Widow, but everybody else is a professional voice actor. Likely you've never heard of them, because you probably only follow anime, but they're all pretty big names. Like Phil LaMarr big. |
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Key
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Kyle Hebert only qualifies as "decent" experience. Riiiight. 
While Grant George doesn't have a huge amount of experience, he's done several well-known roles. John Eric Bentley has done one other well-known role, so he hardly has "no experience." Look, the arguments here are largely coming down to, "ooh, the Japanese cast is automatically better because they have a greater average experience level," and that's just a load of BS. I actually listened to most (admittedly not all) of the movie in Japanese and didn't notice a single place in the movie where I thought the Japanese performances were better; hell, in a lot of the samples I listened to where any character other than Black Widow was speaking, the Japanese performances didn't measure up. Really, unless you've actually heard a substantial amount of both dubs, you shouldn't be commenting on the actual relative dub qualities. Last edited by Key on Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:18 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Alunimus
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And I'm absolutely sure that there are a lot of people who like both anime and comics, those willing to enjoy such projects not only with English dub. |
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Just-another-face
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*Many people who appreciate anime watch it with the original voice acting. So according to your backwards cave logic, those of us who enjoy English dubs of anime don't appreciate anime at all, despite we spend more than most do on Blu-Rays and DVDs. Are you for real? *Because, y'know, that's how it was originally supposed to be watched. According to who? You? And who are you exactly, the great anime dictator? *And there's also a fact that most of the dubs are complete crap, especially compared to the original. Yawn, only seen this statement for the umpteenth time. Moving on because no one who ever says it can back it up. *I mean, serously, how could an anime fan not know voices of Sawashiro Miyuki, Tomokazu Sugita and other popular seyuu? Uh, easily? It doesn't matter to everyone to know these things. Not everyone cares like you obsessively do. *And I'm absolutely sure that there are a lot of people who like both anime and comics, those willing to enjoy such projects not only with English dub. ...You are aware the Avengers are not anime characters, correct? You make it sound like they now belong to Japan just because Madhouse made this painfully uninteresting...thing. I'm afraid to burst your weak bubble, but you are in the niche minority if you think anything is better just because Japan made it. Last edited by Just-another-face on Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Rahxephon91
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Hell, I've been watching anime for over 15 years now and quite honestly I don't know or care about Japanese voice actors.
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Lycosyncer
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This latest Marvel/Madhouse collaboration movie actually surprised me this time because unlike the incredibly boring and pretentious Rise of Technovore movie, at least this is much more straight forward and the action sequences here are very nice.
The Punisher has some great character moments here and Black Widow feels kind of sidelined her and don't make me comment on her voice acting because man, she sounds so completely stiff and phoning it in that it is just painful! I rather listen to the Japanese version. This may be off topic but I managed to watch the first two episodes of Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers and I am quite surprised by it. Sure, it is goofy as hell but it's hell of a lot more entertaining than the current Marvel Animation garbage that Jeph Loeb has forced upon us. |
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DangerMouse
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I'm getting curious to check this out since it seems like it's at least decent and I like all of the more experienced dub VAs that probably fill out the bit parts like Kyle Hebert (pretty much always great) and Kari Wahlgren who's one of my favorites, plus JB Blanc is usually pretty cool in the shows I've heard him in so far like Hellsing and Beware the Batman, and Fred Tatasciore as Shifu in Kung Fu Panda tv, etc. And as said earlier Bloom should be pretty good too. I guess I'm not really surprised by Black Widow's, which is a shame. Last edited by DangerMouse on Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:40 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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belvadeer
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JB Blanc is not Shifu. It's Fred Tatasciore. |
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DangerMouse
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Thanks for the catch! Messed it up when I changed it around. I meant to add him in as well, fixed. 
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belvadeer
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No problem. :) Don't forget Hulk. Fred is greatest voice for Hulk there is! :D |
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Chrno2
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Well, the one thing I can say about it was that the animation is slick thanks to Madhouse. I watched the dub mainly because 1) since it's a Western project I just defaulted to English. 2) I somehow forgot there was one. But I switched back and forth after I had finished. I felt that VA for the English voice for Punisher was ok, for what he would have sounded like. His Japanese voice is very deep because of the Japanese VA that they picked for him. If I had been watching the Jp audio first I probably wouldn't have thought much about it. While he does a great job, his VA didn't fit the character in my book. However Black Widow's Jp VA did what Jp VA women actors do best. I was suddenly reminded of Lupin's Fujiko. One of the main problems that I have with dubbed projects of this nature is that it's hard for me to naturally accept a dub unless it's good or the production is Western. In other words Western project English audio (only no other), anime either an excellent dub or Jp audio. While I don't have any problems with dubs, I do have a problem if I decide to watch with a family member, friend or I'm lazy and the dub is sub par. Another thing that bugs me with dubs and this happens with a lot of dubbed action anime, is the unnecessary extra grunting that often times isn't there in the Jp audio. I mean what is the point. The sub work was pretty standard, as if they had worded the script exactly in both versions. So I had wondered if the subs were even on point.
But other than that it wasn't bad. It's typical of a Marvel anime project. I'd still buy it. It actually got me curious about the Punisher and Black Widow from when I last remembered when I read Marvel comics. |
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labmember001
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No, according to the director, producer, animators, etc. Everyone actually involved in making the anime. |
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Echo_City
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Why do these studios insist on having actors who are not experienced with anime dubbing feature in dubbed anime? As the review points out, and as we all likely already know, an actor who is great in live action, stage or pre-lay VO can stumble in dubbing anime. You'd think that they-the studios-would learn. I'm not a fan of Bang/Zoom but had they used Bang/Zoom anime veterans for the whole cast then this would have been vastly superior.
While I believe that Mercer sounds too forced, too "Bang/Zoom", to ever emulate RDJ's rendition of Tony Stark I do believe that he could have gotten much closer had they called up Funimation and acquired the services of their scriptwriting team. While I'm thinking of what could have been, perhaps they could have procured the talent of Eric Vale as well. |
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