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Kikaioh
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I don't buy their excuse for an instant. They're complaining that Western "views on the sexualization of women" are holding them back? Or to put it differently, they're blaming the opinions of other people from preventing the release of their works in the West? What is it, are they afraid of being criticized? Unless there's a legal reason, don't bandy around the word "censorship" and fault other people's beliefs for your own embarrassment/shame/cowardess to support your own works. It's a hypocrisy to blame other's freedom of expression for driving a choice to curtail your own. Or, if your fear is that your game won't sell unless it's modified, then that's not censorship, that's the reality of the market. Altogether it just sounds like huffed-up complaining that people dislike their content. "If only Westerners didn't want to view women and little girls as human beings!" That's so childish, if that's the sort of content you want to express and you believe in that, then at least own it, instead of this nonsensical blame-game.
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Hellsoldier
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I am quite tired of all the third-rate fanservice-rich material with lack of interesting female characters with little-to-no personality and nothing more than walking stereotypes, I really am... But they shouldn't change anything for anyone's sake, only their own. Yes, most of their material is most likely crap, but even if it weren't, we'd still be complaining. Last edited by Hellsoldier on Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Rivailloli
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Do these companies realize that just because their games are criticized that it doesn't mean they have to censor them nor does it mean they can't release them? GTA is notorious for its explicit content, it gets complained about with every release, and you know what? The creators just don't give a shit and make more.
Quit making a fuss and just get over your game being shit-talked. Everyone else puts up with it. |
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AbZeroNow
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As a Vita owner myself, I can say that the Vita is more of a JRPG and indie machine than mainstream handheld these days. Also since I can play Asian Vita games that have English subtitles(since Vita isn't region locked), I can import myself some Moero and the social justice scolds can do jack about that. I plan on importing DoAX3 even though I have no interest in Dead or Alive because I hate censorship(self-censorship is still censorship) |
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wonderwomanhero
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This is very true. Inquisition was able to push the limits of what is allowed to be shown, but only so far. Breasts and ass but that's about it. Any sign of genitalia is automatic AO. |
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TarsTarkas
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This is not some unheard of concept. Not everybody likes getting hate spawn and sometimes when you get too much of it, you just want to crawl in a hole and die. Even when games are not marketed in the west, westerners still find ways to complain about game content, which has in the past led to restrictions of foreign IP visiting Japanese websites. So yes this is a thing, and yes it's what they do. Whether or not this is 100% accurate or truthful for this instance, who knows, its a game company. But I see no reason to disbelieve them. |
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Sudo
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Not true, games like GTA V, The Order 1866 and L.A. Noire have shown genitals and received M ratings. |
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WikiSonic
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It's not like all the hate from fans calling censorship is any better. Plenty of fan service heavy Japanese games have been localized and have gotten minimal attention. Senran Kagura is doing just fine, for example. Sure, it'll get called out every once in a while but there hasn't been a media blitz or anything.
If they really don't want to censor their games, then guess what? Just release it anyway! There you go; no need to censor anything. |
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KH91
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Does this help? http://i.imgur.com/2GOeBst.gif?noredirect Or do you want me to start quoting from the article that you and I read so you can understand? lol |
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Kikaioh
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You know, out of context, most people would think you were talking about how actual women feel in the toxic sea of the internet. This is literally the first (and probably only) time I've heard about companies getting their sensitive feelings hurt that people didn't like their objectified portrayals of women. It's borderline ridiculous.
So you're saying that these companies actually legit censored people's expression, and are now turning around and complaining when they choose to censor their own work...?
Companies answer to investors, and "controversial content" certainly hasn't held back companies before. What I see is a butthurt president playing the victim card because he doesn't believe in his artists' content strongly enough to accept/own his company's identity. |
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TD912
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And then we get a bunch of other people claiming "Why did they bother releasing this game censored?? I refuse to buy censored games. It's like you're not getting the whole thing. Either release the full uncensored game or don't bother at all." You can't please everybody. |
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TarsTarkas
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@Kikaioh
Oh well, guess we know which side of the censoring argument you are on. I guess in this new age, selling to the male audience is now evil. Guess we should all put on our monk robes and start praying for the purity of our souls. |
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SilverTalon01
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No, Vita is not. There are only ~2.5 million Vitas sold in NA. There are way more steam users than that.
Maybe they are just misunderstanding the overall unimportance of the issue. Apparently some companies that do localizations are run by SJ warriors like the ones that pulled that garbage little girl simulator, the mighty number 9 group, the Blade and Soul group etc. These are the people companies look to in order to localize stuff, and apparently it isn't rare at all that they just aren't comfortable themselves with the games they broker deals to handle. It is entirely possible that IF is being told by whoever they approached to do the localizations that things need to be censored. We also have nuts like Anita and Zoe getting to speak to the UN about how people saying mean things to them on the internet is equivalent to sexual assault and saying to censor the internet. Sure, if you look at other games, plenty do exceptionally well that get complained about, but I can see how they could be easily misled because there are very relevant to them and very publicly visible (misleading) indications that most of their potential consumers would care. Last edited by SilverTalon01 on Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kikaioh
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I have no problem with the existence of fanservice works and the idea of selling to a male audience (disgusting though I may often find the content to be). What I take issue with is companies trying to pass on the blame for their unwillingness to release their own content. "We're offended that people are offended by our content" isn't an excuse that you bring to an investor's meeting, it's more akin to a childish airing of personal grievances. |
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encrypted12345
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Ultimately, I want every Japanese company to adopt this mentality. That said, I have a feeling that as old as it is, the Rapelay incident still causes the Japanese caution even if most Americans admitted that they didn't care what the Japanese made. Vocal minority ruins things for everyone even if they don't actually have a large amount of power. There's also how companies have been hassled on Twitter before. It has nearly zero effect on profits, and is more likely to raise them if anything, but it's annoying for a company to handle nonetheless. Even XSEED has limits on what it will localize and won't localize something it is pressured to censor; remember that the original Senran Kagura was a T game and the lewdness of the games is usually overexaggerated. It's no eroge at least even with some nudity. Given the choice between getting it censored and not getting it at all, I'm for the latter. I know something may seem better than nothing, but standing up for my principles is more important than playing a good game. I simply refuse to reward companies who localizers who censor their products (assuming they don't offer the original unedited version). |
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