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NonoAsumy
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The A,B thing is one of the worst models I have ever laid eyes upon.
Why is it used? It feels like an elaborate troll. The funniest thing is, it probably stems from a debate similar to the one in this thread, however a model that so grossly simplifies (distorts is probably more appropriate) audiences and the appeal of shows even hinders any fruitful debate. As far as I understand Type A puts emphasis on story and Type B on characters? (I just wrote a little rant on PMMM´s weak characters but it was probably a bit too harsh, so I leave it out) And to the poster above, man-children are the very reason this show became so big, itself it is pretty geeky and most of the enjoyment derived from it too. Deciphering runes, making up speculations, who dies first, gifmaking , shipping the cast etc. A whole wonderland for manchildren (Is "the show looked like being for man-children but instead we got was brutal violence" supposed to be ironic?). |
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ArsenicSteel
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Nope. The anime was intended for the late night otaku crowd, so it is an otaku show. Getting bigger than expected and attracting an audience other than the intended ones does not redefine the show. |
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dtm42
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It was always going to be big. No-one expected it to be this big, but even before the show began airing those people who pay attention to staff lists were interested. You don't assemble that group of people together to make a run-of-the-mill show, hell no.
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ArsenicSteel
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You have a case of hindsightitis.
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DuskyPredator
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Well it was going to be a decontruction, I seem to remember what peoples expectations were prior to airing. Yes everyone knew it would be dark. But there was no garuntee that it was going to be enjoyed by anyone outside of the the otaku audience, general audience usually don't necesarily like the whole artsy bits, many would have trouble stomaching Charlotte's snack.
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jl07045
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It does, because the people who liked it don't care what it was intended for, they see it for what it meant to them. It's still an otaku show like you said but it's more at this point. |
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Cam0
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Just because they spoiler[killed her off] doesn't change what she was designed to be like. Her finishing move "Tiro Finale" was just moe all the way. I never considered PMMM that depressing, actually reminded me of My-HiME in many ways. However whatever happened in the anime doesn't change the fact that Shaft had something to do with it. |
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NonoAsumy
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So what is an otaku show if not PMMM?
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Veers
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dtm42
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Cam0, you know what's also Moe all the way? Hagu from Honey & Clover. Her entire freaking character. And yet, would you really say that that show is an Otaku show? Of course not, that would be stupid.
Moe does not automatically equal Otakuness, especially if the Moe is there to trick the viewer.
Hmm, let me see. K-ON!, Infinite Stratos, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Working!, and Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai. That's five recent examples right there. Shall I list more? All are far more Otaku than PMMM. |
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NonoAsumy
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Hmm, let me see. K-ON!, Infinite Stratos, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Working!, and Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai. That's five recent examples right there. Shall I list more? All are far more Otaku than PMMM.[/quote] These shows differ vastly in quality. (and from what I have heard K-ON! has a much broader appeal) Also the "trick" of subverting viewer expectations only works if the viewer has such expectations based on previous experience or knowledge. In the case of PMMM who could that be? |
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dtm42
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Quality doesn't matter in this case, but Otakuness (which isn't a word but bear with me). Please don't try to shift the goalposts. And the people who had previous expectations and knowledge are not necessarily those who are fans of the genre. I am not big on Magical Girls, so seeing a well-written one (I hadn't watched Princess Tutu at that stage) was a delight. Then episode three came about and, well, the rest is history. |
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NonoAsumy
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My initial question aimed more towards "Why is such a distinction necessary?"
Why is it denied that PMMM is hugely popular with the man-children? (kinda obvious) |
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Annf
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Seems like this thread wound up more about debating the definitions of "otaku," "Type B," and "otaku show" than it is about Madoka.
There's a legion of character-moe otaku who love depressing and tear-jerker stories. They enjoy falling in love with a character and then having their emotions explode when that character suffers. That's why there's so many eroge like that. If that's not Type B in English, then we're gonna need to invent a Type B-Category 2 or something. But it certainly falls under the Type B category to the 2channers who made up the Type A/B stuff in the first place. |
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Blood-
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*ahem* I prefer the term man-kinder. There's something about adding a Teutonic designation that lends a whiff of respectability to an otherwise dubious status ... right? 
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