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SSJ Gohan 64
Posts: 223 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland |
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Well, looks like Al Kahn also made the list. Lets complain about 4Kids for the next five pages.
Well, at least the Toonami people made it on here. They did alot to bring anime to the mainstream just like Adult Swim. |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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I have to say that, as someone who does something similar on another network, I have nothing but respect for Kim Manning.
Cartoon Network, and Adult Swim in particular, is not out to hand-pick the best anime they can and show it. They have a set demographic, and cater to anime newbies. That demographic usually has fairly strong tastes, and I can guarantee that they are not the same tastes as the hardcore fans have. These newbies -- who are still MOST of the anime market -- are the ones who has no idea when new shows come out until they see 'em on the shelves of Best Buy. (That slot would have been reserved for Musicland's anime buyer, but, well...) They also don't do fansubs, so they have no way of previewing anime before they buy it. To increase the visibility of a show like that without having to pay millions for advertising is like gold. It's not a surefire way to guarantee a hit, but like Zac said, it's darn close. Sometimes getting the "Cartoon Network demographic" is SO important to the anime companies that they actually PAY money (usually, they buy advertising on their own show) to just to get it on there. This has happened quite a bit. I can't say which titles they are, but you can usually tell because they don't get repeated a lot. This may explain some of the marginal titles. I can't speak for Kim, but I am 99% sure her aversion to fanservice is because they are a mainstream cable network frequented by children. Most of America thinks ogling 14-year-olds is creepy. And they are carried in the Bible Belt, after all. Big companies have to worry about religious groups that protest things like Married with Children and Disneyland having an informal "Gay Day" -- Seeing Asuka naked? Forget it. I admire Kim because she makes smart choices -- and the ones she does make prove that she is, in fact, a fan. Paranoia Agent? Nobody who's not enthusiastic about anime would suggest putting THAT on the air. The trend towards original programming is because it makes more sense -- business sense -- to use that power to build brands that you actually own. This is why you see more and more original programming on Adult Swim. Then, you get money from everything from overseas sales to DVD's to toys. That said, I think this list is pretty misinformed. But her presense on here is not why. |
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Bahamut God
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Hmm, congrats to ANN, and Chris. (what, Mr. Macdonald?)
I think you should shout "You'll never work in this town again!" at someone just for fun. 
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CorneredAngel
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why *would* anyone want to work in Montreal? ::ducks::
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Abarenbo Shogun
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We gotat wait till he butchers another anime for that to count. |
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jaybug39
 Posts: 552 Location: Oregon, Is it FOOTBALL yet? |
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@jsevakis, well that explains the Sci-Fi channel, and why I watch so little of it.
Also, ogling 14 year olds is creepy, until said 14 year old is wearing a mini-skirt, a tight sweater, is flashing her panties every couple of minutes, and yells "Go Team!" It's sexy, without being thought of as sexual. Or my take on it, and why it continues, or even started at a time when America was much more puritanical than now. |
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Bahamut God
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Wait, what was this in response too? (I haven't read the whole thread. |
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Lampbane
 Posts: 18 Location: Brooklyn, NY |
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Since no one's said it:
[AS] will always push their original programming harder than the anime because in the end, the original programming will make them more money. One word: LICENSING. Adult Swim/Turner Broadcasting has the rights to put Tom Peters on a t-shirt. They don't have the rights to put Mugen on a shirt. It's all about the bottom line. But that doesn't mean that [AS] isn't influential, since they are on basic cable at a time when most teenagers/young adults will be watching. And all of their programming sucks far, far less than the alternatives. |
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schizosmurf
Posts: 17 Location: TX |
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as i said i didn't notice that... i tend to ignore commercials, but i would guess that the over advertising of shows like TGTM is due to that A) Its a original program so naturaly they would hype it most because it's there own show, and B) TGTM sucks and needs to be hyped that much to attract any viewers at all.
This formula shows the growth [AS]/Toonami/CN has made in reaching more towards current anime fans and not just to the "newbies" as somone desribed in another post. It's worked very well with Naruto and will/should work well for Bleach in September. This will allow the company to learn more about what works and what doesn't work when it comes to aquiring and airing new anime properties.
I'm sure attacking somone's debate skills is not something they would teach at your local college. So please stick to the topic at hand, and keep the personal defamations out of it. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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It has gatta feel good to have your name in a article with words "Most Powerful" in the title.
Congrats |
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fighterholic
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I just noticed this, but the title of thread has a mispelling. But anyway, congratulations to Chris!
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Saiyo_Chan
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I don't know if you've noticed, but both Pokemon AND Yu-Gi-Oh (GX) are still currently running on Cartoon Network, while I haven't seen a DBZ rerun in a while. I think that says something about DBZ's popularity, you think? And though it doesn't seem like it, Pokemon is still a quite popular franchise. Wait until the newest games come out...
Are you saying that Miyazaki's movies made more money in the US than the entire Sailor Moon, Pokemon, and DBZ franchises combined? Have you done any research whatsoever to support this theory?
Well, I am one of "todays generation of teens" and I think that you forget that most of us were children when Pokemon and DBZ were popular shows, around 6 years ago. I think you're overestimating the impression that Miyazaki movies make - I doubt there are many people that will watch Kiki's Delivery Service and think, "I need to find out more about this form of animation!" Most will just think, "Well, that was a pleasant movie," and continue on with their normal lives. Shows broadcast to appeal to impressionable young children, such as Sailor Moon and DBZ, are what build anime fans. They were watched by these young kids, who become fans and see commercials for other anime on the network. They gradually become fans of many anime shows thanks to the commercials shoved at them, and thus become the anime fans we know today. At least, that seems to be how my generation discovered anime... 
And there is a poll on ANN with the question "What title was your introduction to Anime and/or Manga? At the top, you'll see Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z and Pokemon. Big surprise...Princess Mononoke has less than 1% of the vote. And I don't see what you're insinuating with the "child porn" comment. If you think of Cartoon Network shows as pornographic then maybe you should check yourself.... |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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Your right, I should be more vague and talk about strawman fallacies. That should help be more "clear." |
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Wolverine Princess
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Well, I wouldn’t be aware of the existence of anime at all if I hadn’t become a screaming, vicious, head-in-the-clouds Yugioh fangirl in elementary school. I honestly didn’t know who Hayao Miyazaki was because his movies weren’t shown on Cartoon Network, and I didn’t care because I loved Yugioh so much it eclipsed my feelings for anything and everything else. |
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schizosmurf
Posts: 17 Location: TX |
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It's this exact hateful, sarcastic, high and mighty attitude that ruins any hopes of having intelligent and meaningful discussions. "Straw man" is one of the best-named fallacies, because it is memorable and vividly illustrates the nature of the fallacy. Imagine a fight in which one of the combatants sets up a man of straw, attacks it, then proclaims victory. All the while, the real opponent stands by untouched. Thats sounds very much what you have been doing, attacking other peoples debate skills and not keeping to the topic at hand. Consequently, you have now dragged me off topic. Perhaps one day you'll grow up. Reply if you wish, i'm done with you. Good day. |
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