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HaruhiToy
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I can give Kamui credit for finding a way to undo the system in a way I never would have thought of. I really like this guy and I can't wait for his inevitable conversation with Akame.
Mika. Ones a berk always a berk. She is guilty of insubordination and should be demoted. |
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Ghost_Wheel
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Ah, spoiler[so that was Togane's room she went into.] Thanks Harleyquin, that was unclear to me.
Yeah. the violence is a little lame, but I don't that's something particularly new to this season. I don't have strong feelings about it. If the violence in and of itself is supposed to shock me, it doesn't succeed, but it can certainly be there. Looks like spoiler[we're finally going a little bit into Sybil's hidden agenda, though how Akane lost her negotiational footing with the system, I'm not really sure. I mean, okay, Sybil lets her have her job and isn't screwing with her, but you figure Akane could get a better deal than that. Anyway, pretty much everything I could get from that whole thing is that there is something to suspect. Still holding a lot of cards and going to take a loooong time to play them...] Shimosuki needs to learn spoiler[that she's not really helping, and fast. Last episode she couldn't get her head out of the whole indirect action is still an action thing, making the conscious choice to do nothing to avoid responsibility. At least now she's thinking on her own a little bit with trying to investigate the Togane thing. I guess the whole thing just seems really weird to me, in this society it's not very common at all to be an inspector, and I feel like what gave her the call in the first place was a desire to really take matters into her own hands and affect things, so I guess I'm disappointed that she would come to lose sight of that sentiment] I guess the whole spoiler[video game thing is pretty clever. Instead of the weird and obviously off psycho helmet thing from the last season, this time we have more indirect ways for people to kill each other. Part of the very real problem with something like a crime coefficient is that emotion and intent can be obfuscated by sufficiently many pullbacks to indirect actions. Why Kamui in particular needs to do this isn't clear because he can already evade CC detection and could probably control the drones himself, but then again he's probably trying to make some kind of silly point. The game itself looks really silly though, I just laugh every time I see it. This is the future, we deserve better from our mass murdering phone games!] You saying the fans are split makes a lot of sense, Harleyquin. This seems like exactly the kind of thing that would do that. I'm not passing judgement until more cards are on the table, and man I hope this picks up the pace in getting there. |
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DuskyPredator
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Season 2, Episode 5
I like how so far this season is not just relying on sickos going out of their way to have people kill others because of it being some right. The main aim he has done is show the system as broken, being able to make people lose it and how the rules don't work. One thing that you have to have praised the show for was making you feel sick for actions. In the latest episode I found it was the act of spoiler[turning a game for all ages into the controls of drones that have the unwitting player kill real people]. There is more meaning in that than some senseless murder. And Togane continues to be an interesting topic. One possibility is that spoiler[he is a plant with the purpose of creating a fake Akane]. The other is that spoiler[he is simply obsessed with her, that he has an interest in how she can go from an incredibly bad situation and quickly go back to a low number and stay clear]. Mika is still being an idiot, she blind to her own uselessness, and can't see how effective Akane is being. And lastly, it looks like a spoiler[specific brain from the system has been put in charge of the chief, I can't draw a complete opinion, but the personality looks rougher and knows Mika does not know what she is talking about]. |
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Gina Szanboti
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"That girl will be eaten alive." I can't help but feel like they're working so hard to make us hate her because they want some kind of shocking, redemptive epiphany for her later on. There's got to be a reason beside just wanting a character to focus viewer hatred on...right?
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Harleyquin
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From that brief scene, I interpreted it as spoiler[one of the members of the hive mind being more familiar with the situation than the others and briefing the rest with the extra information. The review on this webpage hopes it isn't Makishima, but there are other possibilities totally unrelated with season one which cannot be ruled out at this juncture. ]
Another aspect of the hive mind's logical processing is spoiler[the apprehension at Tsunemori's course of action, but rather than actively intervene and stop her completely like in the first season the hive mind's decided to go the other direction by giving full support and at the same time keeping an eye on matters to better guide future actions. ] Both Saiga and Togane made similar comments about Akane in this episode, mainly her spoiler[ability to stay calm and to keep working regardless of what has happened around her. Very people even in real life have the qualities to mentally turn-over drastic situations and continue acting like nothing actually happened so Togane would not be first specialist to take professional curiosity beyond ethical limits. ] A quote from Masaoka seems relevant here, "If you peer into the darkness enough, it will eventually stare back at you." The official page has updated the current hierarchy of public security to illustrate the changes wrought by the last two episodes. Because of a spoiler[dead inspector and enforcer and the other inspector MIA], section 2 has been considered too understrength to simply reinforce with new members hence the spoiler[HR re-deployment to the remaining full-strength sections.] The hive mind as always treats all cases for their potential to evolve its capabilities, being the unfeeling machines they are it seems a few cases of collateral damage won't faze it as long as the final outcome is satisfactory. |
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Ghost_Wheel
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Yeah, basically my thoughts on the whole spoiler[Sibyl thing. Lots of possibilities here.]
Masaoka and the rest of the show's sentiment that eventually everyone has to become Dirty Harry was always something I found really silly but at the same time poetic. I think spoiler[Akane's attitude is definitely the right one and I think more people could walk away from a situation like that than you'd think. It's not like she doesn't have the emotions, she said so herself, she uses them to her advantage. She doesn't let the darkness destroy her, but motivate her instead. Probably the biggest nag in my mind at least if I were in that position would be the fact that I suspect the Sybil system of being corrupt, having a hand in this, and possibly worth rebelling against, but having lost all power in the negotiations, and having no one to talk to about it makes making the right call and working with others on it difficult.] |
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Harleyquin
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Admirable as Akane's attitude to everything is, I'd disagree that it's something very common or easy to adopt given the circumstances. Even in the first season, Akane's murdered friend told Kogami that Akane used to act as a troubleshooter/mediator even amongst her schoolmates. Not to mention Akane herself mentions one of her redeeming traits is a psychometric reading which is harder to cloud than most people despite the amount of internal vexation she puts herself through.
In the society she's in, Sybill recognises her as spoiler[a model specimen that the rest of society should eventually evolve to in order for general acceptance of the system with all its flaws and imperfections to truly take hold. ] |
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HaruhiToy
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One of the more interesting points that came up this episode that I think has been largely overlooked is that in its internal debate the Sybil system stated that it needed to evolve. I am not sure that it ever spoke to this before including in its conversation at the end of season 1.
You could look at the Sybil system as evil as both Akame and Kamui do, but this suggests that it is less evil than it otherwise would have been. It suggests that Akame and Kaumi could theoretically come to an accommodation with Sybil, rather than destroying it outright. I hope the story explores this. |
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Harleyquin
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Re-watch the episode when Makishima and the director talk alone on that transport plane. Evolution for the system is not a one-off that appeared in this season as something "new". Tsunemori had the big internal dialogue which lasted 5-8 minutes in one episode when she figured out what the system really was, so one can say she's already come to terms with the society she has to live in. Kamui on the other hand looks like he has a definite plan to spoiler[bring down the system and all of society with it, but he sees it as liberation in a different mould to what Makishima saw in his attempts to do the same thing in season 1.] |
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Ghost_Wheel
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Yeah HaruhiToy, that's a good point. Really up until now from every conversation we've seen in S1, Sybil just wants to remain pretty stagnant. They play the safe bet and allow themselves as much control as possible at the expense of innovation. Sybil wants to get stronger, but not move outside of it's own situation. The use of the word "evolve" is pretty evocative here and I'm curious too.
And I'm not sure how much Akane's come to terms with it. You have to look at people like Kamui and ask yourself "This guy has more ability than I do to start a revolution, and how effective is it really?" Really any move you make against the organization requires you to go all in and at that point you need both the means to affect things and a viable solution after the system goes down, neither of which she has. And if you remember that dialogue she was emotionally distraught during the bulk of it. Whether or not she's accepting now, she's not comfortable. It doesn't help that she sees the effects of Sybil's conditioning in society either; every lecture from her coworkers about how to treat enforcers or about what kind of things are possible in this world have to be alienating her on some level. |
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Raftina
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Sybil has always looked to evolve itself: The reason it presented to Makishima and Akane for wanting criminally asymptomatic brains was at least in part to understand such persons better, and the reason it presented to Akane for letting her go free was to observe and learn from her example how to make others accept the system willingly.
What's new this season is that we saw Sybil say this to itself--thus confirming that it was not lying to persuade but telling the truth. Regarding Kamui's bodypart theft: Recall the first guy with the helmet that the MWPSB captured in season 1. The dominator first identified him as Akane, then as Kougami, because the helmet copied the psycho pass of a nearby person. It seems that a person's psycho pass has certain distinguishing characteristics that would uniquely identify him. It seems odd that the user authentication isn't using psycho pass, as everything else seems to rely on it, and it seems much harder to fake than retinal pattern--Kunizuka mentioned needing a supercomputer to actually fake a psycho pass. |
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HaruhiToy
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I thought about this. It seems that the Dominator isn't able to identify a person by their psycho-pass. That's why they always have to communicate to Shion (who has not been naked yet this season ahem) who relies on security camera footage and a facial recognition data base to identify people they are interested in. So perhaps the retinal scan is an accommodation for a lack of necessary processing power. It can read CC values but not much else. Which does seem oddly contrived. The Dominator has communication capability so I fail to see why it wouldn't have a GPS chip in it to report its location. The whole Dominator concept thing I have found to be really contrived to a really stupid level but it is necessary for the story. |
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Harleyquin
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The helmet in the first season acted as a "mirror" of the closest person around with the lowest available psycho-pass reading. Hence when Kougami and Masaoka finally got the guy they wanted, Akane was forced to stay far away until they immobilised the wanted one. Shion is involved a lot since the cameras installed in town only do hue checks which DON'T pick up people's identities. The ones in the factory in episode 3 for the first season DO pick up worker IDs simply because they are fewer people in the facility allowing for a local database to store the necessary data for managerial purposes. |
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Beltane70
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Just think of how many problems it would solve if the Dominators could always be used in stun mode, regardless of the target's pyscho-pass level.
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Raftina
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The dominators very clearly use psycho-pass to identify MWPSB personnel: This result is impossible if the dominators are using audio-visual data. It is possible that only certain people's psycho-pass are stored in the database--Kunizuka's comment suggests that psycho-pass are very complex. However, we were shown direct evidence that dominators use psycho pass to identify inspectors and enforcers. |
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