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ikillchicken
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*sigh* In a library...at an elementary school...where little kids can take out books...unsupervised by their parents...your solution is "If they don't like it, they just shouldn't read it!" ...Who the heck is the 'they' in that sentence? The kids? The parents? No, I understand. You're not addressing the actual issue at hand. You're just taking this opportunity to complain about the totally unrelated concept of actual censorship. I really hate how censorship has become to people on the internet what 'socialism' is to the bloody republicans. It's just a hollow catchword stolen from a concept which in it's true form is probably bad. Except it's then applied to anything and everything that relates to true socialism/censorship in even the most thin and questionable manner and used as a generic straw man dismissal to disguise a silly knee jerk reaction. It's wildly thrown about in lieu of even the slightest hint of actual rational examination of the issue at hand. So for god sake, if you actually look at this particular case and have a problem with it, that's fine by me. But please, please back it up with some degree of relevant reasoning instead of the same tired old irrelevant rant about censorship.
Seriously? Did you even attempt to read the article? At no point is the media mentioned. In the most recent case there is no indication the parents are being anything but reasonable and it's a bloody elementary school library. Do you feel it's somehow unreasonable to assume that it has material appropriate for children? Also, it's most likely just a tad difficult to check out what they're reading before they read it unless you follow them to school every day. Do you follow your kids to school every day Kyon? No...I didn't think so. Tips for next time: Try just a pinch of reading comprehension and critical thinking and you can avoid posting silly complains full of holes. |
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BleuVII
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I don't think I'm quite as vehement and put-out as you are, ikillchicken, but I agree with almost everything you said. I read these comments because I knew that people on this forum were going to read way too much into it. I'm surprised that unfounded attacks on religion haven't happened yet.
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rie14500
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why didn't they just do what my school did and rip out the "naughty" pages....? =_=
like, an entire chapter of ranma 1/2...gone!! 
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VegettoEX
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delmarvanow.com has posted an updated story today (October 8th) detailing a few more tidbits and gathering a few extra quotes, including remarks from Mark Thompson, county school board president:
"The pictures I saw, if it was meant for adults, it crosses the line for child pornography. If it's for a child, why show these scenes for children?" For those interested, we have provided a little extra commentary over on Daizenshuu EX, and will be covering it extensively on our podcast this coming weekend... ironically enough, right before another manga review ^_~. |
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Ktimene's Lover
 Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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It is not child porn (at least by Japan's standards). Though the reaction maybe overdone, I do understand how the nudity could be viewed as child porn. Why do you think they put age ratings on the back of the book? What is a crime here is that a man did illegal photocopies of the manga.
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Josh7289
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There's just so much misinformation and misunderstanding in that article you just linked, Mike, I'm not sure if I should even bother registering there to try to correct some of it...
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rinmackie
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Well, I'm generally against censorship but I think they did the right thing in this case. Nine is a little young to be reading Dragon Ball and it was an elementary school library. I think what really irks me and some of the other posters is that once again, the American mainstream misunderstood manga. Speaking of which, I would like it if someone would post a comment on the newspaper link explaining manga/DB/Japanese cultural values, etc. I would do it myself but I'm too lazy to register and I'm not an expert on the Dragon Ball manga.
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ZeetherKID77
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I've heard worse. There are people who think "anime" is Japanese for "pornography" and despite people telling them it isn't they will not listen.
Frankly I think this is a really stupid decision and it would have been more understandable if the manga in question was more raunchy. |
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ebilness
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The only manga that should be in an elementary school should be 'rated' All Ages, or be American Comics (like from the Scholastic Graphix! Imprint). If their goal was to include graphic novels to help reluctant readers, there are a ton of titles available for them to buy that ARE age appropriate. So, I agree that it's the library's fault in this case. However, I've seen a lot of those "Getting Manga/Graphic Novel in Your Library" sites and pamphlets and they cart blanch push for Dragon Ball and Naruto. I think it's only been in more recent years that they've sort of broken it down into other categories. Plus, a lot of librarians just don't have the time to learn everything about Graphic Novels and Libraries and so have to just go with what publications tell them.
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RogueJedi86
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Wait, so it's child pornography now? This reminds me of the stories I've heard about parents putting up pics on Myspace of their very young children bathing, only for Myspace's mods or admins or whatever to take them down due to them being classified as child pornography. Not all instances of underage nudity are child pornography, especially when they're not intended to titillate or be sexual in nature. Can't parents see that? Little Timmy's not gonna turn into a sexual deviant just because he saw a naked girl when he was 9. |
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thefuturemrsuzumaki
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Okay, first of all, why would you buy the Dragon Ball manga for your four year old kid? And why oh why would it be at an elementary school? The manga clearly says that it's rated teen, not all ages.
And the sexuality thing? Come on, America; are we that afraid of our sexuality? Do parents and other conservatives realize how children are created? Japan is more lenient with their sexuality and they embrace it instead of being afraid of it. If we don't like the apparent "pornographic material" of Dragon Ball, then maybe there shouldn't be any sex on TV or in the apparently "popular" music of today (hip-hop/rap/r&b). Get over it. We're gonna find out about sex one day, so don't try hiding it. |
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KanonAirHaruhiShuffle
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Americans treat it like porn even if it's just a women's breasts. Like concerned parents can't tell the difference between nudity and porn. Even when the kid gets older the parents still treat nudity like porn even if there isn't any sex going on. Goku runs around naked as a little boy just like any other kid in real life. Breasts, penis, vagina, and so on are a couple of things that make up the human body just like the brain, skull, ribs, and so on. I think the problem is parents try to keep these things a secret to their kids instead of teaching them that some bird delivers you to a family nonsense and actually teach them that babies are made when your parents do it. |
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russ869
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We live in a country where people have their own children taken away because they had some cute naked pictures of them on their film roll. (Remember that story?)
America is positively anti-nudist. We want all kids wearing pants and all our girls' flat chests covered under all circumstances. Anything other than this is certainly done with sinister intent, because obviously deep down everyone's a child molesting pervert.
What?! Is he saying that images can be both pornography and not-pornography depending on the circumstances. So what, it magically BECOMES child porn when a pedophile looks at it? Does this make sense to anyone? |
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ReiClone88
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I remember at a library seeing a mother stop her grade school son from checking-out the first volume of Dragon Ball for "bad content" after flipping through it in horror...
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Ktimene's Lover
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Parents definitely need to check manga before their kids read it. This is a classic case of bad parenting in the sense of what was described in the previous sentence.
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