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You'll have noticed it doesn't say "from her parent's apartment"? What "tween" has her own apartment? What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of?

Mohawk52 wrote:

You'll have noticed it doesn't say "from her parent's apartment"? What "tween" has her own apartment? What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of?

You must be new to anime for this to be a problem. Pretty much every anime featuring middle school students in the past 30 years has at least one who lives alone in a spacious apartment. Here's a couple of examples: Makoto Kino from Sailor Moon and Hayate Yagami of Lyrical Nanoha. Oh, and the entire cast of Madoka Magica... except Madoka of course....

誤称 wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote: You'll have noticed it doesn't say "from her parent's apartment"? What "tween" has her own apartment? What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of? You must be new to anime for this to be a problem. Pretty much every anime featuring middle school students in the past 30 years has at least one who lives alone in a spacious apartment. Here's a couple of examples: Makoto Kino from Sailor Moon and Hayate Yagami of Lyrical Nanoha. Oh, and the entire cast of Madoka Magica... except Madoka of course....

So you are saying that because it is a common anime trope, it actually happens that a "tween" (I presume you do know what that is, yeah?) can live on his or her own with no guardianship what so ever, basically feral orphans? This a social norm, is that correct? I'll also state that just because it is a common trope used for "30 years", I've never accepted it as endearing. It made me uneasy when watching Panda-Go-Panda, and it still irks me today.

As for the Fafner movie.....I love my mechs and explosions. I however did not get into the series. I only gave it an average rating myself on MAL. I suppose part of the problem was I had been soured by watching Gundam Seed BEFORE Fafner. I know they have 0 to do with each other really but the same character animation coupled with both shows involving mechs more then likely had me go into Fafner with a sour note. It's been long enough I should probably re-watch Fafner and give it a real chance.

Mohawk52 wrote:

誤称 wrote: Mohawk52 wrote: You'll have noticed it doesn't say "from her parent's apartment"? What "tween" has her own apartment? What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of? You must be new to anime for this to be a problem. Pretty much every anime featuring middle school students in the past 30 years has at least one who lives alone in a spacious apartment. Here's a couple of examples: Makoto Kino from Sailor Moon and Hayate Yagami of Lyrical Nanoha. Oh, and the entire cast of Madoka Magica... except Madoka of course.... So you are saying that because it is a common anime trope, it actually happens that a "tween" (I presume you do know what that is, yeah?) can live on his or her own with no guardianship what so ever, basically feral orphans? This a social norm, is that correct? I'll also state that just because it is a common trope used for "30 years", I've never accepted it as endearing. It made me uneasy when watching Panda-Go-Panda, and it still irks me today.

Its just such a minor, common thing to get "irked" over that it seems like you're grasping at straws. Does every single minor detail not being explained make the show less enjoyable? If so, you probably have a problem.

Mohawk52 wrote:

What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of?

she is living in a room on the third floor of Min's ramen shop and, like Mikeski said, sponging off of Min

getchman wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote: What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of? she is living in a room on the third floor of Min's ramen shop and, like Mikeski said, sponging off of Min

Apparently this post got overlooked.

Well, to be fair, even in Western cartoons, parents or guardians are often absent or nonexistant. Even when they're portrayed in the show, they often not around whenever the kid protagonists go on wild adventures. Of course, it's expected that we will suspend disbelief, since most parents would never allow real kids to do what cartoon kids do. I don't think anyone would argue that it should be a real-life societal norm but most people seem to accept such things in anime and cartoons because it's not real.

Heaven's Note Pad will have to be exceptionally good to get me to ignore the I-know-I-look-and-act-like-I'm-13-but-I'm-really-21 bollox. Also for the record one can not be a NEET if one is self-employed running one's own small business. Just saying.

rinmackie wrote:

Well, to be fair, even in Western cartoons, parents or guardians are often absent or nonexistant. Even when they're portrayed in the show, they often not around whenever the kid protagonists go on wild adventures. Of course, it's expected that we will suspend disbelief, since most parents would never allow real kids to do what cartoon kids do. I don't think anyone would argue that it should be a real-life societal norm but most people seem to accept such things in anime and cartoons because it's not real.

Point taken, but in all the Western animations with such a situation, it is usually implied that a parent is involved and contactable, if even vaguely. HNP seems to be implying she's not a kid, but only acts like one. Which I can accept as I have one of those living in my house. But I can't help but chuckle at so many trying to convince me she is actually an orphan "tween" living on her own. However if that is the case, HNP could be in the skip with the rest of such ilk no matter how compelling the story.

Even if her age is unknown, Alice is most likely not supposed to be an adult (I'd expect her to be younger than or same age as her love interest). Apparently she also ran away from home. But dunno, given that she's a computer prodigy who never went to school, lives only on dr pepper, doesn't sleep more than one hour every night and can't take a bath on her own (?), etc., being a runaway teenage girl living in a room in a friend's house seems like the least unrealistic thing about her character.

rinmackie wrote:

getchman wrote: Mohawk52 wrote: What "tween" can afford her own place to live in on her own without some sort of trust fund to operate out of? she is living in a room on the third floor of Min's ramen shop and, like Mikeski said, sponging off of Min Apparently this post got overlooked.

No it wasn't, but labeled irrelevant, if she isn't a loli, but only looks and acts like one.