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leafy sea dragon
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The impression I always got was that yaoi characters who say they're straight do so, narratively, to reinforce the romantic, seductive power of the guy who persuades them into homosexuality. That is, this guy is so strong and so powerful, he can turn straight men gay. As a character, he is highly charismatic and admirable. You see this same thing happening with yuri aimed at straight men sometimes too.
There's also that schtick I keep seeing of girls with no arms or torsos. That is, the head connects directly to the legs. I always took that as some kind of memetic joke among hentai artists, but now I wonder if there's something more than that.
In addition, most western nations have cultures that encourage protest and fighting to get what you want. LGBT rights in countries like the United States and United Kingdom have advanced as far as they have because the communities in past decades and in the present have been fighting tooth and nail to get those rights. As mentioned in the article, Japanese culture encourages people to simply fit in and not make a fuss, which makes all social change much slower, even if the populace at large might see it as undesirable.
Heh, that reminds me of an Extra Credits video about romance in games where the narrator had to point out, "not sex, but romance." Shows how immature a lot of gamers are that this distinction had to be pointed out. (Guys like Christian Weston Chandler, the Sonichu guy, still hasn't figured it out: He thinks romance is just a pretense to have sex and that the purpose of marriage is to have sex legally.)
I have met people who really, really want to instantly undo homophobia and institute overnight full rights into countries with a strong anti-homosexual bent and think it can be done. They are the people who openly identify themselves as political radicals and proud of it. I definitely wasn't sure if that comment was sarcastic, troll bait, or serious for that reason.
Audiences don't necessarily want accuracy though. If they did, naked dinosaurs would be long gone in modern fiction. |
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MrBonk
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I'm a straight guy, not a wizard nor a virgin. And I personally find those scenes always hot and extremely arousing. (I sort of have a fetish for cream and body fluid as it is) There's just something about a woman wanting every bit of you inside her and wanting your hot cream cheese is the final proverbial icing on the cake. A lust and willful acceptance for your entire being. Not submissively, but in becoming one'ish. I shit you not I am not being sarcastic or anything. I have actually thought about this over the years. The stories and characters are usually stand ins and it's the idea of the fantasy that helps drive it home. I realize Hentai aimed at men is not realistic and what not, but as we all know. The same is true really of any of this kind of stuff. Yaoi,etc. Even RL romance novels, especially geared towards women and young women. (IE the Divergent series wouldn't be half bad if not for the shoehorned in cliche and inane, aimed at young women,romance subplot) That stuff drives me crazy. At the same time, I can't stand submissive women tropes, like in Japanese adult videos. Or NSFW. It's different than what I described above about the cream cheese. And is partially summed by this earlier statement
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Errinundra
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Remember, ANN is PG13.
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raich8
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Re: LGBT identity, there does seem to be more of a trend where at least one half of a couple in yaoi will ID as gay/bi. I think this definitely has something to do with increased awareness and access to information about homosexuality in Japan's younger set. There's a significant generational gap in terms of acceptance/tolerance of LGBTs in quite a few developed countries, but it's very pronounced in Japan.
I find it interesting, as an aside, that quite a few lesbians, Japanese and otherwise, seem to like yaoi. Maybe the homosexuality/gender atypicality stuff helped them sort out their own feelings? |
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EricJ2
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Boy, is he in for a disappointment! |
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Mohawk52
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Redbeard 101
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Forget that. Now I can't look at my bagel with cream cheese the same way. Way beyond TMI. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Oh, he's been disappointed for at least 20 years. He just keeps blocking them out of his memory, though he does get increasingly frustrated with time. No one wants to marry someone insane like CWC anyway.
It started out that way. Then, the cavemen decided to stop bonking women on the head and dragging them by their hair back into the caves. |
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Mohawk52
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Polycell
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Ignoring the not safe for lunch aspects of MrBonk's post, it really seems tied into the whole "going blank/insane from pleasure" trope. If they're not playing that card, the babbling about shooting into her womb isn't apt to happen(you may still get a more sensible version of the request, though).
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Clyde_Cash
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You are plain wrong. Western values are the only correct values. it is a fact of history that Western culture is superior to everything else. We have the only correct values and morals. EVERYTHING about Westernization is good, because I said so. Nobody has the right to oppose modernization. We have to force people who won't learn whether they want to or not. What other people want is of no consequence and never will be. There is no place for differences in culture and never will be. This is a fact. LBGT rights do not have exceptions in any case. They are absolute. No nation gets to decide otherwise. Human rights will not work one way in America and another in japan. If they won't learn, we have the right to finish what Roosevelt started and force them to. War is the only language that homophobic nations will ever understand. We Americans are the supreme nation of all. We rule the entire world and have every right to dictate what other peoples can and can't do. We have the right values, and everyone else must submit to our authority or we'll nuke them all as punishment. American liberty does not stop at imaginary lines drawn on a map of a blue planet. It extends to the entire universe. |
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Polycell
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Irregardless of whether you're being satirical, you've clearly mixed up Japan with the middle east - and that alone lets me blithely dismiss anything and everything you may have to say on the matter.
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TarsTarkas
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If serial killers and their like can find love, then anybody can. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Well, he's been trying for well over a decade with his Attraction Signs, which read like something from the newspaper's Personals pages ("I am a (A)-year old male looking for a female with (qualifications)"). He writes them onto cardboard picket signs, then hangs out somewhere for a few hours quietly holding it up. He wants THEM to come to HIM and initiate conversation.
Apparently, in 2010, he was discovered to have bought a shirt that says "I Want Vagina!," which he uses while holding up the sign. Clearly, all he really wants is sex. (And to have a child, apparently.) What he knows about romance and sex he learned from his mother Barbara, who was sexually aggressive when she was younger. Some of Barbara's anecdotes border on female-to-male rape. Chris seems to have created ideas about women based on Barbara's tales and thinks that women are all sexually aggressive as well. If the Sonichu comics are a reflection of what he really thinks, he also thinks that women want to strip naked in public but can't do so because some stuck-up government people prohibited it, that what married couples do all day is have sex and sweet-talk each other when not having sex until they have children, and that the only things women care about are shopping, cooking for men, and sex. In short, serial killers can find love and get married because they have tact and can behave like normal people because they understand how normal people behave. Chris, on the other hand, is more stubborn than a mule and has already convinced himself he knows what his potential spouse wants. Maybe there IS a young woman out there who finds Chris attractive; who is attractive herself; cares only about shopping, cooking for him (and him alone), and sex; will put up with whatever amount of abuse he has; has a high-paying job to provide Chris with financial support; likes to strip naked; has never been married; is willing to move in with him; does not mind (or likes) his past criminal transgressions; can bear a child; and will provide all the emotional support Chris needs. He will not find her at a Target dining area while he's holding up a sign and drinking soda. |
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Mohawk52
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