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Mr. Oshawott
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You meant to say Satoru Iwata? |
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NearEasternerJ1
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Please excuse me! |
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Snomaster1
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I'm surprised that Disney X.D. is getting "Pokemon." For a long time,Cartoon Network's had "Pokemon." Hopefully,they'll do better with it next time.
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Stuart Smith
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You wouldn't happen to know which figure it is would you? I have the D-Arts and the G.E.M and there's no English name on it, just Hitokage and Lizardon. Still, I don't think he's trying to say the English names aren't official, but only bad companies use dub names in subs. Even Gyakuten Saiban on Crunchyroll used the Japanese names in the sub. -Stuart Smith |
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leafy sea dragon
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Something I feel I should say is that whenever something becomes popular that one doesn't like, one should always ask, "Why did this become popular? What are people liking about it that I'm not?" And not in a condescending "Because they're idiots" way, but with an open mind, with understandable, sympathetic reasons, because there will always be at least one. That's what I always do, and that goes for everything from anime and western animated shows I don't like (or don't understand) to presidential candidates (but let's not open that can of worms). Whoever said that comment has likely never seen an episode of Friendship Is Magic, or they'd know that most of the voice actors in that show have done plenty of anime dubs in the past (and are still doing it, with Andrea Libman being the only one I can think of who hasn't). And I do watch and enjoy that show.
Except that won't fly because they'll have to follow the video games. I'm certain it's in the contract. I also like the English names. (Where did this come from anyway? Anime News Network is the ONLY place I go to where people insist on using the Japanese names only and expect everyone to understand them. I go to other Pokémon sites like Pokébeach and Serebii and everyone universally uses the names of the Pokémon of their own country's games and anime.) |
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Stuart Smith
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Don't those sites primarily focus on the video games? I would imagine anime boards would be more likely to use Japanese names since the fansubs use Japanese names. -Stuart Smith |
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MrBonk
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Not that the Pokemon Anime is even worth watching. Come on guys.
It's literally the same shit on recycle over and over. Ash can't even win a champsionship. |
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Kadmos1
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I wonder the ratings would be like if the 4Kids cast was still dubbing it and it was still on Cartoon Network.
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peno
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4Kids voices? You mean, like Veronica Taylor unable to differentiate between voicing Ash and May? Or Eric Stuart constantly destroying the character of James? Thanks, but no, thanks.
Besides, kids doesn't care about voices. Here in my country, they totally changed the cast of Max Steel cartoon (2013 version) halfway through season 2 and I don't think it had any effect on its ratings. Kids simply don't care, as long as it airs and it's dubbed. That's sad fact. |
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ReifuTD
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Correct me if I'm wrong but how I understand how some kids cartoons work specially the action ones is that they pay networks to air their shows because the show them selves is basically a big toy ad. This is why rating for these kind of shows don't matter as much.
Example, a couple shows that Cartoon Network treats just as bad as Pokémon, Sonic Boom and Transformers. You'd think a network would go crazy over the fact they have Transformers, more or less the same with Sonic. But they aren't you know why, Cartoon Network has not a damn thing to do with, Pokémon, Sonic Boom or Transformers. Sega one day decided lets make a Sonic Boom cartoon series, in their infinite wisdom made a TV series with out a network backing, I assume Transformers the same and the Pokémon dub is floating out there the same. This is why these shows air one very different channels in different countries, One place it's Cartoon Network, another Nick, another Disney, someplaces a network you never heard of Basically SEGA pays Cartoon Network to treat Sonic Boom like crap, Hasbro pays Cartoon Network to treat Transformers like crap, Pokémon pays Cartoon Network to treat their show like crap, |
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leafy sea dragon
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Actually, your explanation makes a lot of sense, and if that's what some fansubs use, I can see that phenomenon happening. Pokébeach primarily focuses on the card game, by the way. Since the Japanese cards have a different back than cards in any other language, almost no one uses the Japanese cards on that site, and so Japanese Pokémon names are almost never used there.
At no point did I ever confuse Ash's voice or May's voice, even when I wasn't looking at the screen, so I don't really see the problem there. As for James, his character had deteriorated into a laughingstock in short order anyway, so Eric Stuart's performance reflected that. Shows like Now and Then, Here and There, as well as some of the Sonic games made between 2007 and 2012, show that the 4Kids voice actors can do really good performances.
Regarding Transformers: Hasbro DOES have its own network, currently known as Discovery Family. They tried to play the vertical integration game, but it flopped. Toy companies like Hasbro and LEGO know very well how to negotiate with TV channels as to how to distribute money gained from merchandise. 80's animated programming was all about that. The problem is that if the TV channel is no longer interested, then the toy company is left high and dry. Considering there is comparatively little merchandise for any Cartoon Network show right now, focusing mainly on hobby shops and collector goods (maybe except The Powerpuff Girls), my impression is that either Cartoon Network is not that interested in merchandise sales, or children's merchandise has moved away from TV shows and towards general multimedia franchises (like Star Wars or Monster High). Talking Tom, of all things, just had a Happy Meal line this year, for instance. That being said, the mere existence of a show can keep a franchise in the public consciousness and help perpetuate selling toys. This is Disney's approach with the Tinkerbell franchise, everything being released on video or put up for streaming, and it's doing wonderfully. It's also why, despite lower ratings ever since the Hub switched to Discovery Family, I believe Friendship Is Magic is staying put where it is. Either of these explanations would coincide with the dropoff in action shows made and aired in North America. Action shows are more expensive to make than comedy shows, as they can't just rely on talking-heads dialogue and constant limited animation. As a result, they often cannot make back the money gained through advertisements, so have to rely on merchandise sales to compensate. The Transformers cartoons, actually have been doing very well with that, at least up to Transformers Prime. (Then again, The Amazing World of Gumball looks like a remarkably expensive show to make too, and it's doing fine.) |
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ReifuTD
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Well regarding Transformers the current series is Robots in Disguise,It was put onto Cartoon Network after the Hub changed into Discovery Family, I don't think most people knew that was a thing that existed intelligent open Netflix after the end the first season. Honestly I'm shocked that Hasbro hadn't moved all there shows the Netflix yet. I get the impression that Discovery Finally must've made a deal to keep showing some of Hasbro's shows they had airing when the network was the Hub. Hasbro didn't even premiere the latest Equestria Girls movie opting to put it on Netflix instead. So I'm sure that Hasbro has plans are completely backing out of Discovery Family. Side note, I also get the impression that Saban Entertainment is all a bit frustrated having Nickelodeon back Power Rangers, but that's mostly due to production reasons like limiting how many episodes they can have per season/year. Saban Entertainment seems to have a good relationship with Netflix, I'm pretty sure that Netflix was a bigger thing when the production contract for Power Ranger was up they'd be making the show instead Nickelodeon. I'm a little shocked that they hadn't switched to Netflix by now. |
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BakuformerAnime
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peno
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Well, unfortunately, I did, a lot of time. Not to mention Veronica Taylor gave May pretty much just higher pitched version of Ash's voice. 4Kids had a lot of VAs and I simply don't understand why they chose a VA who had problem to differentiate two voices in one show to do two roles. It was obviously beyond her abilities as a VA. That's my opinion.
If it sounded like I blame Eric Stuart for James' bad voice in 4Kids dub, then I am sorry. I know he can do much better, as he clearly showed in the role of Brock. In the case of James, he obviously just followed instructions from someone in 4Kids. But that wouldn't make it any better. They did not just made him laughing stock, they made him laughing stock gay stereotype, That's what was so wrong with that voice. That and the fact he couldn't pull serious acting if needed. The episode where James is freeing Weezing is the best example of that. I am really glad both of these things are now past and TPCI made James more closer to his Japanese counterpart. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Looking back at the more serious episodes of 4Kids Pokémon's earlier seasons...James did sound a bit awkward on some moments, although I did get quite a few laughs from some hilarious episodes. In any case, I'm satisfied that in addition to James' English voice sounding more like that of the Japanese, the storyline of the English version is closer to the Japanese version under TPCI's domain (aside from the use of in-house music). |
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