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NEWS: Assassination Classroom Manga Removed From Florida, Wisconsin School Libraries


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ATastySub
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:54 am Reply with quote
AJ (LordNikon) wrote:
I debating saying anything. As a Japanese, I live many years in America and see hypocrisy from both Democrats and Republicans for longer than most posters have been have (and many staffers too) alive.

Just let one copy of Ass-Class (or any popular series that glamorizes violence) be found in locker after school shooting and most liberal of Americans will scream outright banning this and a war on otaku just like Japanese did years ago after the Akiba incident, and just like Americans did on goth/lone crowds after Columbine. One last note as career journalist, after 9/11, even most staunch liberal was crying for blood and war in middle east. Not till a few years in that everyone calmed down and went back to no-war rally.

For the record, most of these titles would never have been permitted in school libraries thirty years ago by liberals either, and forty years ago, comics books would never be found in librarians; long standing belief by educators was comics books promote illiteracy.

As a long time supporter of Democrats, liberals in America are no less immune to human nature than any other party. As Bart Simpson said back in 80's, "You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't"

“Thirty or forty years ago liberals would do the same, so it’s the same when conservatives do it now” wow how insightful. Truly impressive attempt to both sides this when you have to stretch that hard. Almost like the problem is conservative groups trying to make things like the past is their modus operandi with actions like restricting abortion rights, demonizing LGBT, etc etc. Which gets back to the actual topic and why it rings hollow that the reason of “gun violence” doesn’t pass muster from the groups demanding this removal. They actively fight against any measures to reduce gun violence, and then use it to scapegoat other material they don’t like under the guise of “what about the children?” Libraries of all types are currently being hit by these groups with a myriad scattershot of attempts to gain a foothold in deciding content or even completely defunding libraries. When the hypocrisy is the point you have to address the actual reasoning behind their actions, and the last thing you have to do is whitewash history to pretend it’s all the same. Which, by the way, you didn’t even do correctly because the people that led comic book bans back in the day were these same conservative groups claiming they were a moral and satanic problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:20 pm Reply with quote
Lot of kids in that age group, already have smart phones and/or tablets. They already have access to the worst of the internet. For the ones that don't, all their friends will gladly share with them the forbidden visions of adults. And that is not all that they are sharing. Lot of them are sharing illegal pictures of their classmates.

Getting up in arms over books in the library, in today's connected world, is a bit useless and archaic. While they are screaming about books, their children are streaming porn from Russia.
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:17 pm Reply with quote
AJ (LordNikon) wrote:


For the record, most of these titles would never have been permitted in school libraries thirty years ago by liberals either, and forty years ago, comics books would never be found in librarians; long standing belief by educators was comics books promote illiteracy.

As a long time supporter of Democrats, liberals in America are no less immune to human nature than any other party. As Bart Simpson said back in 80's, "You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't"
I keep seeing this line being repeated verbatim in this thread that the left wants to ban anime and manga too but never actually any real world examples being cited of any prominent progressive US politician or organization calling for a ban of anime and manga titles. The American left is primarily focused on the thing that actually kills people which is guns and not comic books and cartoons.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:43 am Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
Lot of kids in that age group, already have smart phones and/or tablets. They already have access to the worst of the internet. For the ones that don't, all their friends will gladly share with them the forbidden visions of adults. And that is not all that they are sharing. Lot of them are sharing illegal pictures of their classmates.

Getting up in arms over books in the library, in today's connected world, is a bit useless and archaic. While they are screaming about books, their children are streaming porn from Russia.


As a library worker, libraries, especially public libraries, are community hubs serving many different needs and age groups, and their collections are an ever-changing reflection of that. It's always funny when folks who haven't been in one in 20+ years speak of obsolescence as if they have any kind of clue.

Yeah, the world is connected more than ever, and children/young adults have easier access to much more than ever before, but the glass-is-empty-worst-case-scenario nihilism stance is bringing absolutely nothing of value to this conversation. Obviously sharing explicit photos of each other without consent is a completely different thing(and a crime in many places).

As for this particular title itself, as many have already said this isn't even about that. This is just another battle in the war these far-right groups are waging to bring society back 50+ years. You have the scumbag Florida Governor handing these marching orders down to school and public libraries, and in many cases, it's "do it or lose your job/funding". These are scary times.
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i got the shivers!



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:39 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
I keep seeing this line being repeated verbatim in this thread that the left wants to ban anime and manga too but never actually any real world examples being cited of any prominent progressive US politician or organization calling for a ban of anime and manga titles. The American left is primarily focused on the thing that actually kills people which is guns and not comic books and cartoons.


If you want to be technical, no one on any side is banning anything. People who use that word are resorting to hyperbole and scare tactics or just don't know any better. Actual bans are extremely rare in America. It's only in other countries that actually owning comics or cartoons can lead in your imprisonment. If you can buy something on Amazon, Walmart, or Barnes & Noble, it's not banned. As people have established many times, a specific organization, school, storefront, or platform choosing not to platform or host a person or a piece of media is not censorship. Assassination Classroom to not going to stop being printed or sold in America. Some schools are just saying they feel it's not appropriate for elementary and middle school students to be reading it so they won't have it in their library.

What people are saying is that among those people involved in the American licensing of anime, manga, video games, light novels, and other media from Japan, most changes are coming from left-leaning progressives who feel that Japanese media must be altered for the sake of American progressive values. If you want a specific example of this, there's the very infamous scene in Persona 5 that was rewritten in the American localization for the Royal release due to being considered transphobia. And it's very unlikely it was done in the name of conservative beliefs as protecting the image of trans people is not exactly a stance they are known to have. But no, this isn't 'banning' either. Just annoying localization censorship. The police are not going to kick down your door and arrest you for playing the Japanese version of a video game. It's just annoying people have to resort to emulation or fan translations to do so and are expressing their displeasure at companies doing this. Stuff like that affects the average fan more than a middle school not carrying a book most of us already read already online which is why you might see more people complaining about that more than this.

Although I do have to say I feel a lot of people are just using this incident for political reasons and probably don't care about this manga or censorship in general. I have to wonder if people would be as staunch a defender of this issue if it was something like Harry Potter or The Rising of the Shield Hero being removed from schools. A good way to tell if people actually care about censorship as an issue rather than just as a tool to use is if they would defend a person or piece of media they find abhorrent from the same fate.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:11 pm Reply with quote
i got the shivers! wrote:
If you want to be technical, no one on any side is banning anything. People who use that word are resorting to hyperbole and scare tactics or just don't know any better. Actual bans are extremely rare in America. It's only in other countries that actually owning comics or cartoons can lead in your imprisonment.


As noted earlier in this thread:
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-11/christopher-handley-sentenced-to-6-months-for-obscene-manga

And:
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-01/missouri-man-sentenced-to-3-years-for-obscene-comic-possession
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:46 pm Reply with quote
i got the shivers! wrote:


What people are saying is that among those people involved in the American licensing of anime, manga, video games, light novels, and other media from Japan, most changes are coming from left-leaning progressives who feel that Japanese media must be altered for the sake of American progressive values. If you want a specific example of this, there's the very infamous scene in Persona 5 that was rewritten in the American localization for the Royal release due to being considered transphobia. And it's very unlikely it was done in the name of conservative beliefs as protecting the image of trans people is not exactly a stance they are known to have.
This is still not an example of a prominent progressive US politician or organization calling for the banning of a manga title which I was told in this thread the left does all the time.

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I have to wonder if people would be as staunch a defender of this issue if it was something like Harry Potter or The Rising of the Shield Hero being removed from schools.
You do know Harry Potter is frequently a target of book bans in libraries and schools for the past two and a half decades usually from conservatives right?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:16 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
In the case of Citizens Defending Freedom, they consider any books with LGBTQIA+ themes to be "pornography" and are trying to ban all LGBTQIA+ related books in public schools. Assassination Classroom is not an LGBTQIA+ title but they are clearly using it as a scapegoat to justify their broader movement and this is also part of their broader tactic of sensationalizing reading materials written by any authors who are not white.

Also noteworthy that the lady from Moms for Liberty trying to ban Assassination Classroom, Jennifer Pippin, also banned a graphic novel adaptation of Anne Frank's diary so that tells you a lot about these groups.


Points taken. I still maintain that removing this particular title (in a vacuum) should not be seen as crazy or censorship. Of course that is if this was in a vacuum, and given the history of this group (which admittedly I had not researched first, and given the social/political climate here I should've known there were ulterior motives) that seems unlikely.
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