Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2006-09-15]
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Riyousha
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But don't you have to flag a video as "offensive" if it contains pornography, extreme excessive gore, racist and/or ethnically offensive stuff? |
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Kitsune_Cool
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Yeees!!! That would be awesome. Gankutsuou is one of my all time favorites, and I'm really curious about Blood+ as well. 
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Nerv1
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I find it really weird that many people say watching licensed anime on websites such as youtube "illegal". But how is it illegal?
Sure I know that most of them are fansubs but in my opinion, watching licensed anime online is the same as watching it on tv. Isn't another benefit of watching it online like if a friend recommended an anime that you never heard before and you could just go online and watch it and then decide do like it or not before buying it. I find it messed up that people are making a big deal of watching it on youtube when its just the same as watching it on tv, only you have a wider selection to watch. |
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kizoku
 Posts: 47 Location: Ypsilanti, MI |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Nope, completely different.
This would be true if your friends actually bought company "x's" product. Otherwise millions of dollars are being spent to fund a "free" form of entertainment. Youtube doesn't pay companies to broadcast there anime(by nature), which again is very different from what you watch on TV. Don't get me wrong I like Youtube very much, but I can't turn a blind eye on them either. And while I don't think anyone will ever be charged for just watching off of Youtube, I do think the company its self faces some serious legal trouble. Most of which could have been avoided in my opinion. But a bunch of people now have there sights on them, and it makes me happy and sad at the same time. |
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Erufu
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Oh, props to you for mentioning Battlestar Galactica as one of the best American shows from the past years! I can't wait until October for new episodes. Just had to drop that in.
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Keonyn
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Wrong and wrong. It's not the same as watching it TV because in most cases the commercials are removed and it is those commercials that pay for that anime airing on that block. You put it online for free without them and no one would pay to advertize and there would be no money to pay for it down the road. Now, while also viewing it online could be used potentially as a means to try the anime and then buy it, it's also easily used by those who simply view it instead of buying it. Take a good view of those on forums that use YouTube and you'll find that it's no small number that use YouTube to view it, not to try it, and that's where the issue comes in. Either way, in the bulk of the above situations no money is earned, no money is passed in the direction of the studios, and in the end they lose money. |
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Zalis116
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I'm not defending YouTube at all, but isn't it true that the anime companies have to pay the networks to air the anime (as "advertisements" for the DVDs) these days, instead of the network paying the anime companies for the content? If this is true, then the commercials are just providing extra revenue for the network, and thus skipping commercials via YouTube doesn't really have any effect on the anime companies. In that sense, watching anime on YT is no different than using TiVo/DVR/whatever to record episodes off TV and store them for later, repeat viewings. Of course, that's also the same as watching via fansubs or DVD-rips.
I have seen some instances on other forums where people ask, "Dudes, how and where can I download ******? I was watching the episodes on YouTube but the guy who was putting them up got his account banned." Honestly, even if YT does purge all the illegal anime videos from its site, it won't hurt the piracy scene that much. The truly dedicated pirates will discover the same download methods that others have known about for years, maybe some people will buy DVDs, and others will just say, "Oh, rats, no more anime on YouTube, guess I'll have to watch it on TV or not at all." |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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Very good column Zac as usual, I don't think I want to argue with you about anything in particular this time at all, surprising isn't it?
First up, variety now and in the past. As was mentioned in regard to the past being "better", it's just true that you remember all of the good of the past as opposed to the bad and you have more to compare to the past (seeing as it's had quite awhile to develop) and the present which obviously has a much more limited view. As Zac pointed out and generally I agree with, everything of something almost all the time is 90% crap, to add to that, that's what helps the 10% stack up so we remember it for later. As for what makes a classic, it's just that, it's in the 10% we remember as being good in comparison to the 90% around it that we apparently forgot. Although just for the record, I think things that are considered more recent classics at least generally are getting more sophisticated than old classics, things improve in time. As for the variety in anime, I'm definitely impressed by people's opinion of why anime today caters to a slightly more male audience, it's generally true. We certainly are still a more male society these days than female and to add to the variety thing it's a matter of overcoming what people want to just sit down and look at for a quick glance when talking about the casual anime fan compared to the more hard core anime fan and what the companies are comfortable with doing and being expected to do. As was said, Anime still is at least viewed as a very select market, they'll have to be convinced to think otherwise I'd wager, give or take our generation growing up thus allowing anime as it's really viewed today to being more mainstream and defeat stereotypes, just like everything else. Just to make it clear though, Sonic SatAM or “Sonic The Hedgehog” (1993) (ABC) is the best American cartoon that ever was, ever, I’d almost want to shoot whoever canceled it given the chance, almost, darn pacifistic nature, but I wouldn’t shoot them anyway since they wouldn’t be able to help bring it back after I interrogate them. To transition into the YouTube lawsuit we're apparently talking about, it's basically the same thing as with the piracy issue. The internet among other things grows more than people can control it, when problems like this arise we're going to try to cut them off but in the end that never helps, we'll still find ways to get around them, so in the aftermath of the problems we have to at least compromise to appeal to the convenience. To predict what will happen to YouTube, they'll either go sinking down to the bottom or stay afloat by working a legal compromise with copyright holders just like, say, Napster. |
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Woah, woah, Zalis, I rarely see you jump from a logical stance but re-read what you wrote. From a money point of view. Please explain this more. I must be missing something, please fill me in. I want to learn. |
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Kamon
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The only thing I'm ignoring is anyone with an absolutist and exclusionist worship of any anime produced in the 80's; those people who seem to believe that all quality and originality is derived from a single decade of anime history, and that all that vanished as soon as said decade ended. The people who put the 80's up on such a lofty pedestal that they could never even imagine admitting that they had the same ratio of crap to good as any other decade. Let's just ignore MD Geist, Urutsokidoji, Odin, Birth, Harmagedon, and all that stuff...it was the GOLDEN AGE, man! Are you a member of this group, Swissman? If that's the case, I think you need to re-read Zac's answer to the last question in the column. Unless you happen to be over 40 years of age, lived in Japan at that time, and spoke fluent Japanese, your arguements are hobbled by lack of experience, and come down to bias and hearsay.
Originality! Making terrible anime good from 1980 until 1989!™ Wow. Could you be any more biased? Try taking off the rose-colored glasses for a moment before you continue telling us how all the crap anime in the 80's were oh so much more original than the decades of anime that came before them. Last edited by Kamon on Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:31 pm; edited 6 times in total |
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Nerv1
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But still watching it online and on tv gives you more options. You can watch it online when they're not showing it and you watch it on tv when they are showing it so technically they companies don't lose money. Think of it this way, would you rather watch it online with a tiny screen or watch it fullscreen on your tv with the option of recording it onto tape rather than downloading it online with the chance of getting prosecuted? Many people will watch their favorite anime when they show it on tv and if they can't, they can watch it online and they'll watch it on tv anyways if they show it so companies don't lose any money at all. |
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kizoku
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vroenis
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Right with you kizoku - this is absolute gold. I remember a lecture back in uni where our lecturer was reading a book by Frank Zappa, though I don't know if it was in that particular book that the statement came from, but in any case, in reference to the music industry, it went something like 'the end of a genre is marked by the fanbase becoming nostalgic about the greatest works in it', actually from memory I think it was a great deal more eloquent than that. I'm also reminded of a lot of danc's writings on the video-game industry over at Lost Garden regarding genre kings, genre maturation, burnout and several other interesting ideas. To translate some of that into eras and to our particular example of the anime industry, we probably remember the era when we first got really into anime with the most fondness, as we would have most likely found our genre-kings during that time. As we begin to broaden our experiences, innevitably we will begin to be disappointed more often than we're impressed, and so we might be tempted to think upon the time of our earliest encounters as a 'Golden' age. I suppose that on a personal level, this can be more or less true. I think you'll find that in every medium there would be people touting any given period of time as a Golden age, and perhaps the number of people hailing the same given era may be directly proportional to the number of people experiencing the medium for the first time, though of-course extensive research would have to be done to verify this. An interesting point on first-week sales and fansubs both, every fansub I have ever watched that has become available for retail sale, I have purchased. Furthermore, watching fansubs has encouraged me to pre-order soundtrack CDs from Japan well before their release. While I fully acknowledge the dramatic negative effects fansubs have on the industry, on a purely personal note, they have done nothing but encourage me to pre-order commercial releases, or purchase them on launch-day placing my sales firmly within the first-week figures. I understand that not nearly as many fansub watchers are as ethical, my situation is but one among millions. It might be a useful perspective that in Australia, we hardly air any anime at all, with the most prominent shows being Eva in its time (I think it may have aired twice), Stand Alone Complex and Samurai Champloo, with Cowboy Bebop on cable, and every single one of them in English. We don't even see any of the slightly less popular but still quite popular productions: it's strictly smash-hits only. Sailor Moon also aired in English here and of-cousre, the dramatically edited version, but for the predominantly North-American posters here on ANN, count your blessings, though I'm sure many of you appreciate the availability of choice that you have. |
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Kitsune_Cool
Posts: 27 Location: Washington |
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Yep. Me too, me too! lol I didn't want to dive into Get Backers, make the money commitment when I wasn't even sure if I'd like it... So I watched an episode of it on YouTube... and was hooked. (Yay, Get Backers!!!) Went out and purchased. I believe in supporting the industry - the more money they make, the more series they'll pull over here... the more anime I'll get to watch. Works for me. I absolutley love when things I'm excited about get licensed over here - fansubs only encourage me to purcase even MORE. That's one thing I really love about Newtype - the DVD with full episodes of series I'm completely curious about... I think that's really smart. |
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