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Mohawk52
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Yeah playing dead can only work for so long. One has to start breathing again at some point, especially when they come to carve up your carcase.
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Charred Knight
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I was never impressed with their release of Super Robot Wars, for 35 dollars you could get three episodes sub only for slightly above average video. They where demanding a premium without giving a premium release. |
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Prede
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No that's a garbage business practice. How about I go pay off the bank you have your mortgage with in order to then own your house. Now you'll have to make payments to me, your rival, and deal with me. AND according to ADV's claims it was illegal. Also for those who care, a lot of what ADV did closely resembles the GM restructuring, just without government assistance and with no company ever filing for bankruptcy. Last edited by Prede on Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:34 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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GrilledEelHamatsu
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You do know that what you just said was very ignorant. |
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jsc315
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I smell some trolls here mods may want to get that lock button ready soon.
On to the topic at hand. This is just depressing. 2012 has just been nothing but bad news for anime fans in general. Be it young or old fans of anime in the end we the fans loose from lawsuits like these. |
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GrilledEelHamatsu
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Yeah,I know. I wouldn't worry too much about these lawsuits. Federal indicates that a settlement will be reached. |
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Mohawk52
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walw6pK4Alo
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Those attempts, when given decent treatment, can churn out quality products. The other side of the coin are lowkey business that gobble up older titles and release on a smaller scale. Neither of these practices satisfy the middle ground, but it's better than the market being entirely forsaken. Even when the chance of TV airings were higher, how many shows were licensed versus aired on basic cable channels? 100 to 1? 200 to 1? More importantly is what's going to happen to disc media, like you said. Will streaming ever become truly profitable, profitable enough to cover costs and provide enough to produce more? You can't take risks (expensive risks) if you're only just taking in enough. With TV and film, you have different avenues to get your product seen, but what does the industry that survives on direct-to-disc do when they cannot get on TV except for painfully small doses and certainly cannot get into theaters? I don't think this lawsuit has "the best intentions of industry" in mind, it's just business, nothing personal.
For how much, and to whom? |
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Angel M Cazares
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What do you mean by produce? Are you talking about if the profit generated by streaming will one day be able to actually finance anime? If you are talking about a company like Crunchyroll, I am assuming they are mainly interested in generating enough revenue to pay for streaming rights (which I assume are way cheaper than distribution rights to sell discs). I might have misunderstood your comment, but I do not see streaming revenue playing a big role in producing/financing anime right now; if that is what you mean. |
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BigOnAnime
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walw6pK4Alo
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That is what I mean. If disc sales decline, streaming will not be enough to put revenue back in to keep new production up. Definitely not on the same scale as licensing for home video rights. Maybe the big question here: how long can serious Japanese collectors keep this up? They've been doing well for some 25 years, but streaming and downloading can only increase as Japan opens to the ideas. |
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GrilledEelHamatsu
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@Wal. A settlement would result in 3 things:
1. Federal court determines that both labels were treated with unethtical behavior by ARM. ADV with a "Breach-off-Contract" ethics violation attempted hostile takeover. And Funimation offered Poor,overpriced investment properties with unprofitable returns & then attempting to sever all legal loopholes in property ownership. 2. Federal also means that ARM will be involved at some point. And ADV will be able to argue that ARM was unethtical. 3. A settlement between the two label regarding their part of the deal will be reached. |
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GATSU
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Magraith:
When mergers happen, people get laid off, and you get crappier quality of service in the name of "efficiency".
They could, but FUNi is Sojitz' bitch, so that won't happen. link: People aren't trashing the voice actors' themselves, just the choice of dubs. samuel:
That's exactly what Sojitz wants. Doug:
Interfering in ADV's attempted deal with Geneon sounds pretty anti-business to me.
Again, it wasn't Sentai/ADV's fault. The Japanese companies acted in bad faith, in order to destroy them, so they wouldn't have to negotiate any terms in the R1 companies' favor. luffy:
Why? So they can steal and overcharge for lucrative licenses from Bandai Entertainment and then sink BE as petty revenge, because it ends up being more profitable than them? 'Cus if that's what you want, then BVUSA never really left. Shana:
If they were raking in money, then they wouldn't be expanding here. Wouldn't be surprised if most of those productions ended up costing more than they got back in return, even with higher home video fees.
And how many copies were available in Japan? Aniplex is just trying to cash in on an inflated secondary markets. And unless you're E-Bay, that's bound to bite you in the ass eventually. |
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BigOnAnime
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Also you really think with the kind of sales Nisemonogatari, Fate/Zero, and Madoka had they didn't turn out any profit? They're in the top 6 best-selling anime of the 2000's (Meaning so far this century). These shows sold way more than what you need to break even, even on the high end for production costs ($300,000 per episode).
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-12-21/top-selling-blu-ray-discs-in-japan/2011 |
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superdry
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And, if they were raking in money, why would they need to license their properties to western companies? They've been licensing their stuff before opening up an American branch. Also, if Aniplex was losing money on a lot of the stuff they helped produced, do you think they'd still be around? Or even better, if they did not make a decent return from Bakemonogatari, do you think they'd pony up the money to help produce Nisemonogatari? Like ShanaFan mentioned - some of the stuff they have produced have been the best selling shows in a while. |
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