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Egan Loo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:31 pm Reply with quote
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Other creators, such as Abnormal Physiology Seminar creator TAGRO, expressed their support for Toboso, while users debated her stance and the legal issues involved.


I understand people debating their stance ... but the legal issues involved? "Debating" the legal issues involved?

What debate? Scanlations without permission are illegal, and under any imaginable reform of copyright will remain illegal. Fansubs without permission are illegal and under any imaginable reform of copyright will remain illegal. Distributing scanlations and fansubs without permission of both the original content creator and the fan translator is illegal, whether by IRC or torrent or direct viewer site or upload to a safe harbor site or email or burning onto a CD-ROM and handing around. And will remain illegal under any imaginable reform to copyright.

Not a whole hell of a lot to debate on the legality.


The Temple Knights website pointed out that under the current Copyright Law of Japan — even including the sections that were amended this year — watching an unauthorized stream from YouTube and similar video websites is not considered a prohibited "download."

On the other hand, unauthorized uploads remain prohibited in Japan. As of this past January, knowingly downloading copyrighted material without authorization is also now prohibited in Japan.


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matrixdude



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:32 pm Reply with quote
What is up with all the illegal downloaders mocking mangaka by telling them they didn't pay for their work? For once, I agree with those mangaka's statements.
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Myaow



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:33 pm Reply with quote
Actually, I just remembered the way that some people responded to Toboso's statement with "Well, we hope that she does starve to death!" or something like that. Which doesn't make the comments here any more appropriate, but it does show that the nastiness is going both ways.
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machetecat



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:34 pm Reply with quote
Yes yes yes yes YES!!!! Even if it's a bit harsh, I'm loving the mangaka coming out and finally telling us what they're REALLY thinking. Freaking awesome. guys!

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doctordoom85



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:34 pm Reply with quote
First the mangka of Black Bluter, than an epic combination of Zac/Justin/Daryl/Mike, and now this. Fansubber's arguments are getting shot down rapidly and I'm loving it. Very Happy
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Jaymie



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:38 pm Reply with quote
And people thought Toboso was overreacting. Laughing

I understand their feelings, though. Too bad this thread is going to go up in flames......
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sykoeent



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:43 pm Reply with quote
Myaow wrote:
Actually, I just remembered the way that some people responded to Toboso's statement with "Well, we hope that she does starve to death!" or something like that. Which doesn't make the comments here any more appropriate, but it does show that the nastiness is going both ways.

EXACTLY, that's why this needs to get, in Pantera's words "F'ing HOSTILE!" I still feel that these fansubbers/scanlation/uploaders need to die a horrible death... but for everyone to watch so that examples are made of them. That's just my views, it's hard, it's cruel, but I've seen far too many once prominent artists now jobless because of cutbacks resulting from way too much illegal uploading/downloading and whatever else, not just in manga. Go to an official Drink and Draw meet-up in LA sometime and talk to some of the artists there. You might recognize them. Then ask what they're up to now. Now you see why wishing cancer at one of the uploaders is a light and small punishment.
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chefneer
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:50 pm Reply with quote
Is the floodgate starting to open? Are the leeches about to lose their tenuous justification that the creators like being ripped off? This could be quite entertaining.

My father was killed by pancreatic cancer, and I wouldn't wish a death like that on anyone. Not even a leech. I doubt that these mangaka meant their statements literally. I have no doubt, however, that their posts were meant to express very real frustration with the leeches that are stealing their work.

It would be awesome if the mangaka and anime creators were to start speaking out en masse. Perhaps this is the beginning, eh?
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wandering-dreamer



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:53 pm Reply with quote
Kudos to all the manga-ka who are starting to speak out, maybe with so many speaking out that we'll see a crunchyroll-esque website for the latest manga chapters. /vain hope
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skafreak51



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:56 pm Reply with quote
okay just like a few other people in here have said, someone very close to me also died due to cancer, and it's definitely one of the worst things someone could go through, so maybe cancer isn't the RIGHT thing to say...

but at that, I do agree with the mangaka- the people who do that crap deserve to get hit with lightning, and people who just leech and steal and never buy deserve to go broke.
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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:57 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
People... make jokes... about... c-c-c-cancer?! Oh my stars and garters!

Some of you need to lighten up.


And you wouldn't be laughing if you had cancer yourself, or someone you loved has cancer, now would you?

I respect their right to be angry, but at least use something abit more painful....like being run over by a car or killed by a rabbit.
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Zac
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:00 pm Reply with quote
Sunday Silence wrote:

And you wouldn't be laughing if you had cancer yourself, or someone you loved has cancer, now would you?


Considering you have zero knowledge of my personal history you should probably keep this kind of scolding to yourself there buddy.

Moving on.
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Psycho_Despair



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:03 pm Reply with quote
HAHAHA this is a great sunday! Booyyy, how I like Black humor.

Good thing, I buy their manga.

So any chances, that a new cancer will appear in the news?
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hissatsu01



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:07 pm Reply with quote
I don't know why some people her seem to think that losing a loved one forever makes you lose the ability to find humor in jokes about death. As I mentioned early in the thread, I lost my father to pancreatic cancer, yet I still found the comment from Rei Hiroe amusing, though I found the meteorite comment funnier.

What should not surprise anyone is that many people react really negatively when others threaten their livelihood. Forget joking about death, I don't think there have been any shortage of murders over the same issue. So it really should come as no shock that those awful, insensitive mangaka are actually kind of pissed about this.
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m_milburn



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:10 pm Reply with quote
giapet wrote:
I vote all three get together and create a short manga about this. Or maybe even an ongoing manga. It can be kind of like Hell Girl-- a series of episodic one-shots in which each chapter shows the (increasingly unlikely) demise of a manga/anime uploader.


That would be cool. I'd buy that. Razz
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