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Deacon Blues
Posts: 388 Location: Albuquerque, NM |
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I love how everyone chimes in and ignores the fact that the material was of [a] "child being sexually abused, degraded, exploited and tortured".
No matter how you look at it, that type of material is just sick and disgusting... and hiding behind the "it's just art" banner just won't cut it. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Uh, yes, if it's just a drawing, that's all that really matters and cuts it just fine. It doesn't matter how disgusting you find it, it's still just a goddamned drawing. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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@Deacon Blues:
But you are ignoring the fact that it's not real and causes no actual harm. No real children were abused, and such Manga will not encourage any harm to come to real children. Do I like such material? Hell no. But jailing a man for ten months for simply having drawings is absolutely outrageous. And if censors are allowed to get away with punishing people for having drawings, then they may start coming for material that isn't as offensive as Hentai. Edgy non-pornographic stuff like Dance in the Vampire Bund, for example. |
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Alexander55
Posts: 104 Location: Ontario, CA |
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It surprises me that people are still getting busted for something like this. What crime did the man commit anyway? Looking at loli/high school-aged, illustrated Anime girls?
Rather than wasting New Zealanders money like this, they should be after the people who produce the real child porn and/or traffic children through sex trades instead. But then again, New Zealand's laws and politicians resemble that of Australia's far-right who want to ban porn itself. At this rate, all we can hope is for the poor guy to get some lawyers and take the action needed to bail him out of this mess. Last edited by Alexander55 on Sun May 19, 2013 12:16 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Chagen46
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No one cares, loli is not CP unless you're insane. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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@Alexander55:
You are absolutely correct when you say that New Zealand officials should be focusing their efforts on catching real criminals. However, unfortunately for this guy he has already been sentenced and jailed. I don't know why he pled guilty, though I suspect he did so in order to avoid receiving a longer sentence which would have been on the cards had he fought the charge and still been found guilty. Plus although the law is utterly stupid he still clearly broke it, so he wouldn't have had much ground for a defence other than pointing out how ridiculous it (the law) is. |
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aoi yuuki fanboy
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Lolicon here. Isn't hentai like this good because it is an alternative to real CP? Wouldn't you rather have him looking at this than real children? With my hentai collection, I don't need the real thing...
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RogueJedi86
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Yeah, to have consistent and equally fair judgment, they should also be charging anyone with a violent manga with attempted murder or something comparable to assuming any hentai is equivalent to the resl thing. Not that I actually advocate charging people with murder, but it's part of a straw man based on how NZL treats hentai as equivalent to actual child porn. Artwork is not the same as reality! |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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@aoi yuuki fanboy:
That's a really dumb and extremely dangerous argument to make. You are saying that if guys who read Lolicon Manga cannot get their "fix" from the Manga then they will go abuse real children. That's simply not true. And it is such a very dangerous argument because you paint guys who read Lolicon Manga as being savage beasts who can only barely contain their urges with the help of pornographic Manga. That sort of sentiment actually harms more than it helps, because it reinforces the idea in the public that Lolicons are essentially paedophiles anyway and deserve to be locked up. |
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ScruffyKiwi
Posts: 675 Location: New Zealand |
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As a previous poster mentioned, it's images that promote child abuse are illegal. Just for you information text only stories fall under this as well and you can be prosecuted for that. Anyway, with the notable exclusion of the USA in most western countries Lolicon manga are illegal. |
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ScruffyKiwi
Posts: 675 Location: New Zealand |
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To New Zealand law it is an item that promotes abuse, and ultimately ends with you being in prison so yes it does matter. Censorship is never about 'protecting the children', it's about protecting the moral norms in the society. Anyway .. I need to head off to create a TrueCrypt volume on my hard drive |
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shamisen the great
Posts: 658 Location: Oregon, USA |
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Hawkwing
Posts: 317 Location: Sweden |
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What the fudge is wrong with these people? They value fictional characters over real children? Behead them!
Loli porn is completely fine, let people masturbate to these images and videos if they want to. Shane Panettiere is inhumane and doesn't have no right to live. |
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configspace
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First, even if it were "sick", the criminalization still wouldn't justified. Now, to put things in perspective, as I mentioned previously about some known titles that are banned: http://www.censorship.govt.nz/search-for-a-classification/search-for-a-classification.html (there are PDF links in search results) For Ikki Tousen Dragon Destiny:
For Puni Puni Poemy:
Given that these images come from his actual job for clients who produce commercial manga:
and that virtual child porn depicting actual (fictional) abuse is also illegal in Germany--but is simply more narrow in scope--and given the kind of ecchi material widely available and licensed in Germany, I bet those images are your typical nude boob-grabbing, high school ecchi fare. |
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Blanchimont
Posts: 3453 Location: Finland |
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Fortunately the situation isn't quite that dire. I had short subscriptions of both Comic LO and Comic Rin (just to sample them...). So I have a firm believe Finland has a more sane stance on this matter. @ModalSilverSoul @TsunaReborn! @Deacon Blues No way how much you try to stretch the definitions, drawings are just that, drawings. So any arguments to compare them to real abuse fall flat. And makes great disservice in the fight against actual child abuse. There is a shadow hanging over this case though, which stems from Balzer's own past in Germany, as reported by Stuff.co.nz (one of the first to report the outcome of the case);
But that was eight years ago, and we don't know the details in those two cases, other than what was mentioned in the article linked. |
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