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NEWS: 4Kids Profit Falls Again

That is true that their properties aren't at peak at this moment. Actually, Anime was the foundation of 4kids money. Why else would they get money? After all, they did license Pokemon a major hit, and after Pokemon USA got it, they are going to lose money.

And they're not climbing back up because they're not relying on anime. They're going to lose even more, progressively, not just at once.

Wrong Again! It would make them profit, as long as they put a different kind of rating on the boxes, saying this is not solely for children, but for older children or even Teenagers. After all, what happened to that one Teen Idea for 4kids?

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naruto fan 09812 wrote:

Finally,the evil 4kids empire is going to die.

That's the most outrageously biased otaku comment I have ever read, "naruto fan". You lot are bashing 4Kids solely on the failure of the One Piece dub, and conveniently forget they upgraded the anime market up from a "niche" to "mainstream", paving the way for other companies like FUNimation and Viz to make excellent and high quality shows.

4Kids' head was in the right place to realign One Piece for a child's demographic, though their efforts were disasterous. Incompetence is not a sin when the individual buyer has nothing to lose; 4Kids' only real problem is their hubris in delaying (or refusing) to release uncut subtitled One Piece DVDs. If they did that, they would be square with all the angered fans.

Less money means fewer available funds for financial "experiments", like said uncut DVDs. If 4Kids does well, the small hope of getting those DVDs increases.

(See the poll on this site, as well anecdotal evidence from various anime forums)

Where do you see 4Kids in there? I'm sure Pokemon got some of the younger generation in, but the market is much bigger than them.

Hate 4kids dubs all you want, but they are responsible for helping anime become more mainstream in America. Pokemon has done wonders for opening up the gateway for more anime to be liscenced and brought over here. While anime did exist here before Pokemon (notably Speed Racer, Robotech, and Dragonball Z) they were no where near as popular as Pokemon was back in its big boom (and Dragonball Z is probably the only one of those three that people knew it was from Japan)

I could care less on what your opinion is for their dubbing procedures, but if people are going to plug their ears and pretend 4Kids has done nothing for the anime market, they should just stop watching anime right now.

It's like saying that due to the (failure) popularity of let's say Kirby Right Back at Ya, in America, that they would (waste) use their time wisely, to create another (failure) season. Just look at all three ratings, of all three shows, Ulimate Muscle, Fighting Foodons, and Kirby Right Back at Ya.

Look all of them up in Anime Review sites, and see how (craptacular) great these shows are.

I could care less on what your opinion is for their dubbing procedures, but if people are going to plug their ears and pretend 4Kids has done nothing for the anime market, they should just stop watching anime right now.

kei-clone wrote:
Big News! Cartoons have been thought of as a children's market since the 1950's. 4Kids, through its marketing of the huge property that was/is Pokemon, almost single-handedly brought all Western eyes to Japan, and paved the way for the apex of anime popularity in 2002, which heralded the era of Yu-Gi-Oh, the emergence of the American Shounen Jump Magazine, [adult swim]'s formation (and the emergence of "adult anime" through Cowboy Bebop) and Dragonball Z's roaring reign as king on Cartoon Network.


Actually, 4Kids did not bring all western eyes to Japan. Remember the classic shows, Robotech, Speed Racer? Those brought Western Eyes in Japan. If you mean the 90's through 2000's, then Sailor Moon brought people's attention to anime. Sailor Moon appeared in both public and Cartoon Network channel(s)....

Hate 4kids dubs all you want, but they are responsible for helping anime become more mainstream in America. Pokemon has done wonders for opening up the gateway for more anime to be liscenced and brought over here. While anime did exist here before Pokemon (notably Speed Racer, Robotech, and Dragonball Z) they were no where near as popular as Pokemon was back in its big boom (and Dragonball Z is probably the only one of those three that people knew it was from Japan)

I could care less on what your opinion is for their dubbing procedures, but if people are going to plug their ears and pretend 4Kids has done nothing for the anime market, they should just stop watching anime right now.

You're logic is horribly flawed. You're directing us to anime websites run by fans to see whats popular. Anime fans are in the minority. The mainstream (as in, most of America) would know about Pokemon much more than the titles you listed.

Whats the fanbase finds popular and what the mainstream finds popular is two completely different things.

I'll be sorry about 4kids going bankrupt the day they have a panel at an anime convention.

4kids is also JUST as to blame for not bringing anime further into mainstream, by your own logic, with their failure in OP.

I'll be sorry about 4kids going bankrupt the day they have a panel at an anime convention.

4kids is also JUST as to blame for not bringing anime further into mainstream, by your own logic, with their failure in OP.

don't expect that day to come anytime soon, they have hundreds of millions stored in the bank. And besides, I wouldn't expect their profit to increase simply because alot of new shows are premiering in the fall, so they were busy producing new episodes. I predict that their next statement will indicate profit.

First of all, there is a HUGE difference between the purpose of an OP (song) in Japan and North America. In Japan, OP's are primarily ment to promote the song, however in North America, its usually there just ..... well, just to get the audience to tune into the show. So by 4Kids "failing" to further OP's, that statement is absolutely ludacris. Besides, the OP shouldn't have to further Anime into mainstream, its the actual storyline and plot that should promote it.

Pokemon showed up in 1998, but by then anime was on the growth curve by this point due in large part to Blockbuster suddenly stocking more anime.

We're just saying that 4kids didn't start it all, with Pokemon, like everyone says. We're stating that there were anime way before Pokemon that helped contribute to the anime market.

And laugh at it.

Prove it. Pokemon showed up in 1998, but by then anime was on the growth curve by this point due in large part to Blockbuster suddenly stocking more anime. Pokemon was and is looked down upon by the mainstream.

4kids is also JUST as to blame for not bringing anime further into mainstream, by your own logic, with their failure in OP.

Big News! Cartoons have been thought of as a children's market since the 1950's.

4Kids, through its marketing of the huge property that was/is Pokemon, almost single-handedly brought all Western eyes to Japan, and paved the way for the apex of anime popularity in 2002,

which heralded the era of Yu-Gi-Oh, the emergence of the American Shounen Jump Magazine, [adult swim]'s formation (and the emergence of "adult anime" through Cowboy Bebop) and Dragonball Z's roaring reign as king on Cartoon Network.

Basically put, Akira and Ghost in the Shell would still be 'cult films' instead of "science fiction standards" if 4Kids did not virtually introduce anime into Western vernacular, even if the term is "for adults".