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Mohawk52
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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Location: England, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:32 am
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LordByron227 wrote: | Well if TRSI ever goes public, feel free to review their 10K filing to understand what they do. Or better yet, you could move to the states, get licensed as a CPA and work in their accounting department and you'll definitely know. If none of us can do that, then really, we can only take Shawne at his word as we're just fan-wanking with little to no concrete information. I mean, I've taken some Cost Accounting courses, believe me, there is a bottom line to everything. If dubs could be potentially profitable for TRSI, I've no doubt you would have seen more. |
That will never happen, and I have no need to anyway as the reason is quite clear to me and profitability is only a small part of that, but even so. If RightStuf are happy to remain a small niche market supplier it is non of my concern, nor will it be my lament should they eventually fail as they will not have had anything that I would miss.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:51 am
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Mohawk52 wrote: |
Blood- wrote: | Wow, what a shock. You are totally wrong. Here's a list of dubs that they have commissioned:
Boogiepop Phantom
Boys Be...
His and Her Circumstances
Ninja Nonsense
Piano: Melody of a Young Girl's Heart
Shingu: Secret of the Stellar Wars
The Third: The Girl with the Blue Eye
To Heart
Tylor, Irresponsible Captain (TV series)
...and, most importantly...
Weather Report Girl |
I did say "As far as I know, " so thank you for your enlightenment, though most, if not all are rather dated, it does show that they have done so in the past, question remains why have they not continued, whilst the others have to their profit? |
As usual, you can't figure out even the most obvious things. Yes, all those dubs were created before the anime bubble burst. You know, those days when ADV was paying a million dollars to license a title like Heat Guy J? Unbelievable that you don't seem to be aware of how much the anime distribution landscape has changed in the last 10 years even though ANN has posted articles about it and there has been a ton of discussion about it in an untold number of threads.
Nozomi/Right Stuf's approach reflects the reality that a boutique distributor is facing in an already niche industry. Your braindead, "ew, pip, pip, nothing ventured, nothing gained, eh, wot?" reflects the fact that you're just some clueless lump who has no knowledge of the anime distribution industry as it currently exists (or what it was like in any other period, apparently). You don't have a payroll to meet, you haven't created a company whose existence is dependent on you making sound business decisions. You just sit there and demand your dubs without a shred of understanding about why that's not always possible.
Or, more likely, you just don't give a crap. It doesn't matter to you if a company loses money on a title, just so long as you get your dub, right? Doesn't matter that a company might have to shed employees or even eventually close up shop if gambles don't pan out in this incredibly difficult distribution industry, right?
People like you make me puke.
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Touma
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
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Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:20 am
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Blood- wrote: | You don't have a payroll to meet, you haven't created a company whose existence is dependent on you making sound business decisions. You just sit there and demand your dubs without a shred of understanding about why that's not always possible.
Or, more likely, you just don't give a crap. It doesn't matter to you if a company loses money on a title, just so long as you get your dub, right? Doesn't matter that a company might have to shed employees or even eventually close up shop if gambles don't pan out in this incredibly difficult distribution industry, right? |
That is a good point and it seems to be overlooked, or just ignored, by those who casually insist that others should risk money for them.
The person who is making the financial decisions is responsible for more than just his own money, he is not playing a game in a casino. He has to consider the effect that his decision will have on others.
Many people are much more hesitant to risk the money of other people than they are to risk just their own money.
There is also the probability that there are many other things that could be done with the money that would be used for the dub.
Businesses are just like me, and probably most of us, in that the amount of money that I want to spend on various things is much more than the amount of money that I actually can spend.
You know, I really do not remember why we are even talking about this.
When I have more free time I intend to read this thread again from the beginning.
Maybe some of the things that some people are saying might make more sense to me if given more complete context.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:21 pm
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Allow me to trace the steps on how we got here:
1) ANN posts link to TRSI Ric-rolling video parody under a title that suggests a Sailor Moon Blu-ray may be in the offing.
2) Sailor Moon fans click on link to parody and realize they've been trolled.
3) Some of them lose their poop. Nasty comments about Shawne K., his entire lineage and his company, TRSI are made.
4) Mohawk52 uses the opportunity to once again harp on the fact that Right Stuf/Nozomi doesn't dub every single one of its titles. This makes him sad.
5) I express disbelief that after all these years, Mohawk52 refuses to understand that Right Stuf/Nozomi is a boutique distributor in a very niche market that doesn't have money to lose on gambles. Mohawk52 - who demonstrates once again he knows zero about anime distribution - somehow figures he knows better than Shawne K - you know, the guy who has been doing this for 25 years? - on which titles will make money even if the additional expense of a dub is factored in. "Nothing ventured, nothing gained, mate!" Then Mohawk52 goes on to dispense other priceless bits of business wisdom like, "buy low, sell high."
6) I express dissatisfaction.
And so it goes.
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EricJ
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:03 pm
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Blood- wrote: | Allow me to trace the steps on how we got here:
1) ANN posts link to TRSI Ric-rolling video parody under a title that suggests a Sailor Moon Blu-ray may be in the offing.
2) Sailor Moon fans click on link to parody and realize they've been trolled.
3) Some of them lose their poop. Nasty comments about Shawne K., his entire lineage and his company, TRSI are made.
4) Mohawk52 uses the opportunity to once again harp on the fact that Right Stuf/Nozomi doesn't dub every single one of its titles. This makes him sad.
5) I express disbelief that after all these years, Mohawk52 refuses to understand that Right Stuf/Nozomi is a boutique distributor in a very niche market that doesn't have money to lose on gambles. Mohawk52 - who demonstrates once again he knows zero about anime distribution - somehow figures he knows better than Shawne K - you know, the guy who has been doing this for 25 years? - on which titles will make money even if the additional expense of a dub is factored in. "Nothing ventured, nothing gained, mate!" Then Mohawk52 goes on to dispense other priceless bits of business wisdom like, "buy low, sell high."
6) I express dissatisfaction.
And so it goes. |
So....basically it went off the rails when you and Mohawk decided to have your little private slappy-fight?
Yep, that usually IS how it goes.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:19 pm
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Yeah, tough shit. I guess you were fascinated by Sailor Moon fans crying foul? Hey maybe if you try hard enough you can get that scintillating train of discussion going again.
Anyone who thinks this thread went off the rails with Mohawk52 and I having a frank exchange of views is probably too stupid to live.
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Adamb15
Joined: 10 Jan 2012
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:46 pm
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Who told you you could stand on a pallet on a forklift?
So reckless lol
Blood- wrote: | Yeah, tough shit. I guess you were fascinated by Sailor Moon fans crying foul? Hey maybe if you try hard enough you can get that scintillating train of discussion going again.
Anyone who thinks this thread went off the rails with Mohawk52 and I having a frank exchange of views is probably too stupid to live. |
Why don't you leave the defense of rightstuf to, oh I dunno, the representative/possible owner that's in this [expletive] thread, hm? Don't do the PR department's job for them.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:21 pm
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I guess you're new to discussion boards, eh? Okay, newbie, let me explain how they work: a thread is started and then people comment on what is written in that thread. Admins and mods make sure that posters obey the posting rules and assuming those rules aren't violated, a poster is free to comment on whatever he wants. So if my defending TRSI - a company I very much admire and have been a loyal customer of for almost five years - bothers you, that's just too damn bad, isn't it?
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EricJ
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:59 pm
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Blood- wrote: | I guess you're new to discussion boards, eh? Okay, newbie, let me explain how they work: a thread is started and then people comment on what is written in that thread. Admins and mods make sure that posters obey the posting rules and assuming those rules aren't violated, a poster is free to comment on whatever he wants. |
Unless they kick some old Usenet-nostalgic troll off for chihuahua-trolling.
(Yo, Tempest?...Your guy. Wanna Key to read off this guy's warning rap-sheet from the regular boards, or are we pretty much past that stage, now?)
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Adamb15
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:01 pm
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Blood- wrote: |
I guess you're new to discussion boards, eh? Okay, newbie, let me explain how they work: a thread is started and then people comment on what is written in that thread. Admins and mods make sure that posters obey the posting rules and assuming those rules aren't violated, a poster is free to comment on whatever he wants. So if my defending TRSI - a company I very much admire and have been a loyal customer of for almost five years - bothers you, that's just too damn bad, isn't it? |
Stopped reading there. Your rank-pull is pathetic. It's obvious you have nothing of importance to say on the matter. I'm turning off notifications for this thread.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:34 pm
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Excellent. Median IQ rating in this thread promptly sky-rocketed.
@ EricJ - I notice that in all your whining you haven't said a word about those posters who were slagging Shawne and TRSI. You know, those "heroes" like Conan-san who crow about how insulting TRSI behind a veil anonymity is all super-brave and stuff. Way to keep your spotless track record of having absolutely nothing useful to say - ever - alive.
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TarsTarkas
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:55 pm
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Adamb15 wrote: | Who told you you could stand on a pallet on a forklift?
So reckless lol
Blood- wrote: | Yeah, tough shit. I guess you were fascinated by Sailor Moon fans crying foul? Hey maybe if you try hard enough you can get that scintillating train of discussion going again.
Anyone who thinks this thread went off the rails with Mohawk52 and I having a frank exchange of views is probably too stupid to live. |
Why don't you leave the defense of rightstuf to, oh I dunno, the representative/possible owner that's in this [expletive] thread, hm? Don't do the PR department's job for them. |
There is nothing wrong in defending Rightstuf. Nothing wrong in showing Rightstuf, that not everyone on ANN agrees with this savaging.
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Fronzel
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:52 pm
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I think this is probably the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen on this website.
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Kalessin
Joined: 15 Aug 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:01 am
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Zac wrote: | A lot of people in this thread behave as though they're being paid to be as humorless and angry as is humanly possible. |
Yeah. This thread is a bit bizarre. The rightstuf folks try and do something fun and funny, and they get bashed for it. I can understand thinking that it wasn't all that funny, but I don't understand the level of animosity that many of the folks here seem to have.
Personally, I love rightstuf. They have by far the best pricing structure out of any of the various places to get anime that I'm aware of, so I buy almost all of the anime and manga that I buy from them. With their constant, rotating sales and the fact that pre-orders are included in those sales, their prices are almost always the best, and their customer service has been great every time that I've had to call them up. About my only complaint is that their gotanime membership is disconnected from the store so that the 10% discount isn't applied in the cart and is tied to your exact billing address, so if it ever changes, you have problems. I'd much prefer if it were properly integrated into the store. But at least it's fairly easy to call up customer service and get such problems fixed when they occur.
So, I'd just like to say a giant thank you to rightstuf for being so great, and I'm sorry to see that so many folks here feel the need to bash them.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:56 pm
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