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Hoppy800
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I wouldn't mind that happening, we'd have younger representation in the Japanese government (which the country needs so badly), the economy would turn out well, and censorship could be laxed a little and there could be less fears about potential bans. |
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mdo7
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That and the young people in Japan are more open-minded to making it easier for anime and manga and J-pop (and J-dramas) to be exported outside of Asia without ridiculous licensing restrictions. It would Japan's GDP and their economy if they can export more of their pop culture to a global audiences. |
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Juno016
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Having checked it out, thanks to this controversy, I've actually sorta wavered over to the side that this was one of the extremities that probably was going further than the actual acceptable standards of stuff available to those under 18 years of age. It has sex and incest sex in it. There are pages that look like a hentai manga, but with a white void where the MC and the mostly-naked girls' groins are, in the shape of the groins, so it's more revealing than even mosaics or weird-shaped ovals and such. Now, I still will fight for the day that we don't treat the human body and sex as something that needs to be censored (or necessarily completely exploited), but in terms of Japan's current standards, this manga most definitely surpassed them, so I cannot really say the restriction of sales was actually unnecessary. |
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jojothepunisher
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The appearance of this news just made people (+18 or not) more curious of what it is.
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glgunblade
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Nothing would change, I'd still be able to buy it cause I'm over 18 and so are most others. The only problem is if they outright ban it which is not what's happening here. I have no problem with restricting "adult material" so that minors can't buy it. Now debating who's a minor and who isn't? What constitutes adult material? That's just a can o worms that ain't worth opening. |
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Misopup
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Let's hear it for the rise and re-emergence of the Thought Police in Japan.
Nothing drives up sales of something like declaring it to be "off limits" after such-and-such a date. |
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Hoppy800
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Also games, right now with the influx of FPS going on in the West, fans are tired of them and want something different and that's why the niche titles are back in style along with indies rising and while Indie games are more of a Western deal, the niche titles are mostly made in Japan, the only issue is few of them hit our shores which could be rectified for the most part if Japanese companies knew more about what the West wanted. |
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TarsTarkas
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Amazon's action is censorship. This was number #1 on the best selling list. So it is not a business decision. Nor was it a decision to keep it out of kids hands, but rather to keep it out of everyone's hands.
This is what everyone was afraid of in the previous thread. That businesses would simply stop stocking it, instead of dealing with all the expense and time to comply with the new restrictions. But with Amazon that is not a problem, since they have no public presence. So it is solely an act of censorship, in the best traditions of Apple. |
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Daemonblue
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To those saying it deserved it...what's the status of Futari Ecchi in Japan? I'm fairly sure it's not an 18+ title (fairly sure Young Animal isn't age restricted), so saying this manga should have been labeled 18+ would also relegate that and several others to only 18+. It has already been said over and over, it wasn't the sex, it was the incest.
This law only serves to ban things people feel are "unclean" and was simply done as a back door national ban on subject matter the higher ups believe is "unclean." As for Amazon's decision, I personally think they made a mistake in removing it, but for all I know their only distribution center in Japan lies in Toyo and thus they are forced to remove it. Either way, in the end this IS censorship. People seem to think that anything short of an outright ban is not censorship and those people are simply ignorant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship |
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mdo7
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To be honest, I'm not happy with the JRPGs coming out these day. A lot of them are subpar IMO. But I just want more J-dramas to get exported and streamed, and more J-pop music avaliable on Itunes and more J-pop concert, big one like this for example. But I don't see this happening with the current government and the way Japanese business operate and have a negative view on globalization. |
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Utsuro no Hako
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Amazon's policy has always been that they will not stock porn. They do allow "erotica," though their rules aren't very clear on what the distinction is. Every few months, they go through the stuff self-published on Kindle and remove stuff they think is pushing the boundary, and incest (even pseduo-incest involving step-siblings) is one of the things they go after. Once the Tokyo police declared this title to be pornographic, it's a no-brainer that Amazon would take it down. And, hey, it's their store. They can stock what they want. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere. |
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maximilianjenus
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it was not nly the incest, but rather, showing it in a positive light, something easier to understand ffor westerners would be having rapeman, the comic, it's exactly the same as batman except hat batman rapes all the female criminals to punish them and they stop being criminals because of being raped (putting rape in a positive light) and the rape is drawn very explicitly (so make this 18+), those are the kind of titles that have been affected by this law, except incest instead of rape. |
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MagicallyDelicious
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Amazon actually keeps recommending me what it is referring to "Hentai Manga" because I bought Love in Hell and Monster Musume. I was actually surprised to know you could buy hentai manga off Amazon. I keep marking Not Interested but it keeps finding new ones to recommend =.=; Here's some of the ones it recommended me. There's nothing explicit I can see on the listing page itself for this one http://smile.amazon.com/Wife-Short-Shorts-Hentai-Manga/dp/162459106X/ref=pd_ys_iyr10 http://smile.amazon.com/The-Tale-Boobs-Chichi-Monogatari/dp/1624591744/ref=pd_cp_b_1 But this one is definitely NSFW (Can I even link this here? I honestly don't know, it's on Amazon...) It even says in the description its uncensored. |
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enurtsol
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This pretty much amounts to the same thing as this recent Amazon situation:
"Amazon Suppresses Yen Press Titles in Dispute with Hachette" Intentionally not stocking those titles or pretending out-of-stock, warning a long delay in shipment, actively steering shoppers to buy something else, putting less discount than other books, even disabling the "buy" button, etc. These restrictions amount to the same thing - yet nobody has uttered the word censorship. Is Yen Press being censored?
Japan actually is quite lenient with adult offenses by minors. Minors could literally get away with murder, and the Japanese court system will just slap them to juvenile detention. There's really no such thing as juveniles charged as adults.
Hey, nobody has proven yet that treatment doesn't work! (Or actually, ya can ask prison inmates of a child molester, and see what they say.) 
Anyways, this funny story kinda reminds us of that film Student Bodies infamous for wanting to raise their rating to R even though there's nothing in it that warrants an R rating - so they intentionally inserted the memorable F*** you! scene just to get that R.
In that case, the producers intentionally "self-censored" their movie from the youths who could now not watch the movie in the theaters without bringing elders along even though there's nothing in it objectionable previously. |
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kevinx59
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^I type in the names of hentai anime on amazon and it usually comes up. (except for Wordsworth, but seeing as how the first result looks like a children's cartoon, its probably for the best). Bible Black, Aki Sora, Overfiend, all easy to get off amazon.
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